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I just think it's hilarious how the majority of the haters center the criticism around the lack of a 2JZ or "true toyota-ness" of it. It's not worth reminding them, but I often think about the comparison and how (to me at least) it actually holds up very well in that light:
1) Great handling, comfort, and performance... while being so conservatively tuned that economy and reliability are optimal.
2) Designed so that those who wish to, can lose much of the economy and reliability - and build a monster of their own specification.
3) A distinctive appearance which is mild enough to remain reasonable, yet unique enough to never blend in too much.
Almost none of the haters are thinking of a bone-stock MKIV... which was nothing of the "monster" the built & tuned versions became. Now, as far as the criticism regarding it not being available in a manual... I've got nothing to say there. I wish it had been an option as well - but then again, times change. The "it should have been a DCT" people, I just ignore... that's only a benefit on paper and for truly over-built track versions... this transmission is more than adequate for anything that can be considered "mild tuning" (i.e. less than 75% more power than stock). It seems like many of the "it's gonna blow up like all BMW's" people are cherry picking... I personally don't know of any 1000+HP monster MKIV's that have been driven 100K+ trouble-free miles after being built. Note that's not a criticism... it's expected - you don't expect the same reliability from a drag/dyno champion. At the same time, as an auto manufacturer... you also don't warranty that!
As far as tuning-capable platforms... name the recent model that runs a full Toyota drivetrain... oops. I know I didn't find many options for my RC-F when I had it. Really about all that even comes close are their trucks, at least until you are back in the 90's, talking about the MKIV again.
1) Great handling, comfort, and performance... while being so conservatively tuned that economy and reliability are optimal.
2) Designed so that those who wish to, can lose much of the economy and reliability - and build a monster of their own specification.
3) A distinctive appearance which is mild enough to remain reasonable, yet unique enough to never blend in too much.
Almost none of the haters are thinking of a bone-stock MKIV... which was nothing of the "monster" the built & tuned versions became. Now, as far as the criticism regarding it not being available in a manual... I've got nothing to say there. I wish it had been an option as well - but then again, times change. The "it should have been a DCT" people, I just ignore... that's only a benefit on paper and for truly over-built track versions... this transmission is more than adequate for anything that can be considered "mild tuning" (i.e. less than 75% more power than stock). It seems like many of the "it's gonna blow up like all BMW's" people are cherry picking... I personally don't know of any 1000+HP monster MKIV's that have been driven 100K+ trouble-free miles after being built. Note that's not a criticism... it's expected - you don't expect the same reliability from a drag/dyno champion. At the same time, as an auto manufacturer... you also don't warranty that!
As far as tuning-capable platforms... name the recent model that runs a full Toyota drivetrain... oops. I know I didn't find many options for my RC-F when I had it. Really about all that even comes close are their trucks, at least until you are back in the 90's, talking about the MKIV again.
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