New Toyota Supra rumored to get Toyota twin turbo V6 engine

Would you pay $50k-$60k for a 350-400hp "Supra"?

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    Votes: 10 32.3%
  • No

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • Maybe, depends on other factors like weight, styling and etc.

    Votes: 15 48.4%

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^ I hope you're right. I know some people really want an inline 6 and so do I. But I think an engine made with Toyota DNA (heritage) for a car like this is worthy more and the name Supra is fitting no matter V or inline. Instead of using another brands heart/soul and using a legendary name plate for sales.

Don't mess this up Toyota!!!





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Given the small size if the new "Supra", I think this car will replace the GT86, and will have several engines, maybe 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder, like Porsche 718 has two engines. I think the price range will start quite low, and get more expensive with more power. This time, if the new Supra does not sell, it will be 100% that sports car are bought for badges only, and not for what they are. Luxury SUVs are now a stronger status symbol than sports cars, because driving a capable sports car requires skills. The new Supra will basically be the car all (internet) BMW fans have asked for many years? But will they buy a BMW with Toyota badge? Toyota is still the most valuable car company.
 

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Given the small size if the new "Supra", I think this car will replace the GT86, and will have several engines, maybe 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder, like Porsche 718 has two engines. I think the price range will start quite low, and get more expensive with more power. This time, if the new Supra does not sell, it will be 100% that sports car are bought for badges only, and not for what they are. Luxury SUVs are now a stronger status symbol than sports cars, because driving a capable sports car requires skills. The new Supra will basically be the car all (internet) BMW fans have asked for many years? But will they buy a BMW with Toyota badge? Toyota is still the most valuable car company.
but Tada san said there will be 3 sports car in the Toyota line up.

also the old Supra wasn't that much larger than the 86.
 
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Don't mean to derail the thread, but BMW insider Scott26 has said the new Z5 will be gunning at the Jaguar F-Type (176 in).
 

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Google translated: Plan specs and price

  • Power train (two)BMW made in-line four-cylinder 2L turbo
    BMW made of straight-six-cylinder 3L turbo + hybrid
    (adopt a condenser that can instantaneously take out a high-power)
  • Maximum output: 2L turbo 200ps or 255ps, 3L hybrid 340ps
  • Mission: 8-speed AT or 6-speed MT
  • Vehicle weight: 1500kg
  • Drive: FR or 4WD
  • Body type: coupe (BMW Z5 is open)
  • By also be employed carbon in the body material, lightweight
  • Although share BMW as "Z5" platform, etc., by changing the body size and wheelbase, differentiate the target
  • Also studied Lexus models to divert a similar system
  • Price: 2L turbo 4 million yen to 5,000,000 yen, 3L hybrid 8 million yen
 

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http://carislife.hatenablog.com/entry/2016/07/13/225643



Google translated: Plan specs and price

  • Power train (two)BMW made in-line four-cylinder 2L turbo
    BMW made of straight-six-cylinder 3L turbo + hybrid
    (adopt a condenser that can instantaneously take out a high-power)
  • Maximum output: 2L turbo 200ps or 255ps, 3L hybrid 340ps
  • Mission: 8-speed AT or 6-speed MT
  • Vehicle weight: 1500kg
  • Drive: FR or 4WD
  • Body type: coupe (BMW Z5 is open)
  • By also be employed carbon in the body material, lightweight
  • Although share BMW as "Z5" platform, etc., by changing the body size and wheelbase, differentiate the target
  • Also studied Lexus models to divert a similar system
  • Price: 2L turbo 4 million yen to 5,000,000 yen, 3L hybrid 8 million yen
I'm not sure how to react to this fusion of BMW and Toyota. It kind of blurs the car's image to me. When I had an E36 M3 I embraced the BMW heritage that it had. Not sure how I feel about this blend.
 

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5 million yen = $49,721.60
8 million yen = $79,554.50

Not sure how a Toyota 4cyl. Can cost that much. I'm not worried about how this car will look. The LC500 is a perfect example of what Calty designed and engineers were able to produce.

I'm afraid of what will be underneath and at those price points it's even more scary if any is true.
 

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if it is going to be a TT V6; anyone else think they will just slap turbos on the 3.5 2GR-FSE and call it a day.
 

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^ I don't think so or at least hope not. That engine has been around for some time now. I'd think with the money Toyota is saving on sharing costs with BMW, they'd invest in making a new capable TT V6 or inline 6 that can also be used on other vehicles in the Lexus F line up. Better MPG and something new for the future.
 

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The highly anticipated all-new Toyota Supra has now reached a final phase of development and is destined to form the basis of a newly created Toyota performance sub-brand.

Lightly veiled prototypes of the sleekly styled coupé are now seen frequently on the roads around the vast R&D operation of Toyota’s project partner, BMW, in Munich, Germany. The new Supra is being developed in a joint engineering venture with the upcoming BMW Z5. It will resurrect one of Toyota’s most highly treasured performance models following a 14-year hiatus for the Supra, which was first introduced to the Japanese car maker’s line-up in 1978.

The upcoming, fifthgeneration Supra was first previewed by a pair of Toyota FT-1 concepts designed at the company’s Calty studio in California and unveiled at the 2014 Detroit motor show. The new Supra is set to reach UK showrooms during the second half of 2018. It will be offered with the choice of either a traditional petrol or a petrol-electric hybrid drivetrain. The hybrid version is claimed to draw on technology and processes developed for Toyota’s most recent TS050 LMP1 Le Mans race car.

The production version of the Toyota sports car, depicted here in an exclusive Autocar image, has been influenced by the exaggerated proportions of the earlier FT-1 concepts. It has a short front overhang and long, sweeping nose section, which houses a longitudinally mounted engine.—

As expected, the detailing throughout the new car’s largely aluminium body has been toned down and refined since the appearance of the FT-1, providing the production Supra with a crisper and smoother appearance.

The two-door layout and liftback-style tailgate of the FT-1 are retained. Inside, the new Supra provides accommodation for two in the front, with space in the rear taken up by a shallow parcel shelf and a boot similar in size to that of the current Porsche 718 Cayman.

The Supra is planned to be sold exclusively as a fixed-roof coupé, whereas the Z5 is set to take a roadster-only bodystyle and act as a replacement for the recently discontinued Z4. The move is intended to ensure that there will be little or no cannibalisation of sales between the new Toyota and its BMW sibling.

The starting point for the new sports car pairing is a freshly developed platform engineered by BMW. It derives chassis components and engineering solutions from the current 3 Series and its various derivatives, including the rear axle and five-link rear suspension from the M3/M4.

As stipulated from the start of the project, the new platform has been engineered to support both rear-wheel drive and — crucial to plans to provide both variants with petrol-electric hybrid power four-wheel drive.

Toyota and BMW have also developed a number of lightweight construction processes that will be used within the body structures of the Supra and Z5. Sources suggest the BMW roadster will weigh little more than 1400kg in turbocharged 2.0-litre fourcylinder entry-level guise. —

For its part, Toyota has contributed extensive knowhow about hybrid drive systems to the project. Details remain scarce a little more than 12 months from the planned unveiling of the first of the two sports cars, the Z5. However, sources insist that each car will feature its own, uniquely tuned hybrid drivetrain, with electric boosting for added performance potential.

Despite what one official describes as early work culture and language difficulties that are said to have prematurely stalled the joint venture during its infancy in 2013, both Toyota and BMW say their respective models are now progressing according to plan.

The BMW, which goes under the internal codename G29, will be pitched more directly than its predecessor at the Porsche 718 Boxster, according to insiders. To keep weight in check, the folding hard-top of the Z4 has been replaced by a lighter and easier to accommodate fabric roof.

It is similar in construction to that used by the 2 Series Convertible and supplied by German soft-top specialist Webasto-Edscha. The Toyota’s development is being overseen by Tetsuya Tada, the man responsible for the Toyota GT86 and Subaru BRZ joint venture.

The new Supra is intended to add a further dimension in performance to the Japanese car maker’s line-up and the likelihood is that it will form the basis of a Gazoo Racing-run performance arm (see separate story, p11). The Z5 will receive BMW’s newest engines. These include the latest evolution of its turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder powerplant, the B48, delivering around 248bhp in the Z5 sDrive30i, and a turbocharged 3.0-litre six-cylinder unit, the B58, in the Z5 M40i M Performance with a similar 335bhp to that of the M240i. Both Z5 models will come with standard rear-wheel drive and an eight-speed ZF automatic gearbox.

Rumours that BMW’s M division is already working on a Z5 M flagship model are yet to be acknowledged by the German car maker, although the decision to fit the new car with the M3/M4’s rear axle suggests that it could readily accept either the 365bhp turbocharged 3.0-litre six-cylinder powerplant from the M2 or the 425bhp twin-turbo 3.0-litre straight six from the M3/M4 together with a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox.

A diverging strategy will mean that the Supra is offered with Toyota-developed drivetrains. Kicking off the line-up is a turbocharged 2.0-litre engine in two price-leading rear-drive models. In base form, the four-cylinder unit is expected to offer around 242bhp — the same as the engine used by the IS200 of Toyota luxury brand Lexus. A more highly tuned variant with close to 300bhp is also under development and due to be offered from the outset of sales, according to sources at Toyota’s R&D centre in Nagoya, Japan.—

A newly developed twinturbo 3.5-litre V6 petrol unit, which will be shared with various Lexus models over the longer term, will be the performance flagship of the new line-up. It will deliver more than 400bhp in a rear-wheeldrive version of the Supra. This range-topper will be the most powerful Supra to date and have an expected 0-62mph time of less than 4.0sec and a governed 155mph top speed.

Secrecy surrounds the hybrid system to be used by Toyota. Early signs suggested the Supra would employ a similar system to that showcased by the 420bhp Yaris Hybrid R concept, with a turbocharged 1.6-litre four-cylinder petrol engine and three electric motors — two operating on the front axle and a third, integrated into the gearbox housing, providing drive to the rear wheels.

However, this is denied by Toyota officials in Japan. Instead, the four-wheel-drive hybrid version of the new Supra is expected to run a 3.5-litre V6 petrol engine in combination with an electric motor housed within a ZF-engineered eightspeed automatic gearbox, delivering upwards of 350bhp.—

A similar set-up featuring a 3.0-litre straight six could also feature in the Z5.— The new Z5 and Supra will be assembled at automotive production specialist Magna Steyr in Graz, Austria — the same company that was responsible for the assembly of the first-generation Mini Countryman, Paceman and Coupé and will soon begin assembly of yet-to-bedisclosed versions of the new BMW 5 Series.

BMW and Toyota are remaining tight-lipped about planned volumes, although supplier sources involved in the tooling up of the Magna Steyr production line suggest they are banking on a capacity of up to 60,000 units during the first full year of production in 2018.

The sports car project is just one component of a broad-based engineering and technology-sharing
collaboration between Toyota and BMW. Other fields include fuel cell systems, lightweight technology and a lithium air battery project aimed at advancing electric car development.

IS THIS ALL TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE ?
MATT PRIOR


I keep re-reading this and looking for bad news, because it all seems too good to be true. But, no, every time I scan through the details, all I’m left with is a happy, warm glow inside.—

There’s just so much to like here. BMW’s Z car gets lighter than it currently is because it has a folding canvas hood, rather than one of those godforsaken metal jobs that just adds weight, complexity and cost and moves the centre of gravity skywards and rearwards, just where you don’t want it to be.—

And the Toyota Supra is back, engineered by the people who created the GT86, one of the greatest driver’s
cars of the past decade. There’s strong differentiation between the models, too — and not just because of the bodystyle differences. Both parties get to use their own engines.

BMW’s straight sixes, despite their turbochargers, remain some of the most endearing around. And Toyota makes a decent vee engine when it tries to.— It also sounds like there’s no ‘senior’ partner — unlike with the GT86 and Subaru BRZ joint project, where Toyota’s mammoth resources when it came to sales and marketing left some Subaru insiders feeling like the minnows in the partnership.—

This time, it feels truly altruistic: both BMW and Toyota are big, bold companies who just happen to want a sports car and know that this is the best way to go about affording one.— Mind you, if BMW can resist the temptation to make an M version with a fixed roof, it’s a more discreet company than I’d be in the circumstances.— And if I were Porsche? For the first time in a long, long, time, I might be quietly stewing.—
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-toyota-supra-and-bmw-z5-gear-2018-assualt

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BEAUTIFUL! Except the tail looks a bit weird like a Hyundai Veloster. Everything else I'll take it as is :)
 

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if true, I'm surprised there will be three trim levels. Toyota, you might as well drop in the 2UR-GSE while you are at it ;)
 

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