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Discussion in 'General Supra Topics' started by Guff, Jun 5, 2018.

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Would you consider a single trim, 350hp, 3300lbs/1500kg luxury A90 Supra at $60k+?

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  1. HKz

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    #496 Jun 11, 2018
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    I am not saying it should pander to such a crowd. I'm on your team as I want this thing to be awesome just like most posters here but I've accepted the terms Toyota has taken to get to this stage and I'm coming to terms with understanding the specs & price. The most realistic explanation is that they are indeed pandering to that particular crowd. Think most of us here are closer to the "hardcore" enthusiast bracket so it is only natural we're going to feel left out but like I said, I'm sure there will be plenty of hardcore enthusiasts with a lot of money and time to burn who will strip them right away and slap in a stick and so Toyota will look at this as a win.

    exactly, so the hardcore enthusiasts out there will turn it into what they want either way..
     
  2. twntrbo03'

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    What exactly do you want to do that will require another $15-$20K? Most of the Supras that are going for $60K right now are flawless! I totally understand the "not new" part and Toyota did screw us by discontinuing every damn part for the MKIV, but unless you are looking to turn your car into a 1000whp car, I don't think you'll be spending that much money. I wish Toyota would have followed Nissans recipe for success with the GTR and trickled down some tech from the LFA... instant winning combo right there
     
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    Bingo, and this is why this is huge for us...

    Think of it this way.In Pure Form.

    What makes the cars, houses, jobs, we all love and want all good? Foundation or support system the very fiber for which it's built upon.

    You see in order for a car to be good, it has to have a "Good Foundation"

    Once the foundation is strong the rest will come, what were shooting for is a good base to ensure the cars long term success and longevity.

    Do I mod cars hell yes, I would be contradicting myself if I said otherwise, however cars should not have to be modified in order for them to be great. You see after years of selling a good base, the Supra would have a longer thriving life cycle and this will ensure the cars continued success. Meaning a car that A- The car will be around long enough to "Mod" with mfg support in parts, etc.. and B- Would have a community of loving owners and enthusiasts to further push and make the car great.

    Hence what contributed for the Supra MKIV success to this day! (it stood the test of time)

    Now fast forward to today, many of us are older and make more money and can now have the opportunity to purchase our dream car as a child brand new!! You see why this is huge? The other stuff has been tested, proven, works, etc.. We are already jumping high by dropping big money on something new, you see? We want it to be good not just good enough, not just ok, But everything we have been dreaming up & love that made the old one special.

    That is all.

    Hope that helps to make more sense of this all. Just a little...
     
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    Why bingo? Aren't you are contradicting yourself a little bit?

    @Noble713 is suggesting such enthusiasts don't care about warranties and how good it is from the box, they'll turn it into whatever monster they want. The truth is, much of the Supra's brand image has been twisted & created by big tuner projects, not necessarily from the stock model.
     
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    No, check it out.. Bingo because... I think he's correct in saying that most of his friends are used to buying used, but this is the car for many that could be the shift where those that bought only used is considering buying new and out the box. I know for one this is case for myself and I think JDM & Performance share these sentiments.

    I think anyone that thinks enthusiasts don't care about warranty is incorrect. Period.

    They might not care if the car is old already, but if the car is brand new you can get bet your bottom dollar they do.

    And in regards to Lamborghini Performante, that's on a completely different level of buyer all together.
     
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    Have to agree with @HKz and @Noble713 .

    The GT86 is not slow, because for those that is was slow, they made it fast. The light enthusiast will get a Golf GTI or Golf R with cosmetic mods.

    Out of the box, the Z4/Supra is maybe not such a great bargain car (yet to be determined), but at least, unlike the previous generations that could not be cheaply modified, this one will. There is actually no sports car (not sporty car) that has a smooth I6. The Supra will be faster than any BMW ever, the chassis can handle the power. Sure there is a lot of (understandable) overreaction. But it is not like the alternative are really that good either. The 718 has 4 cylinders, it is not aimed at the hardcore enthusiast, it is heavy compared to an MR2. The Mustang is big and heavy. The 911 is too expensive, and has the engine in the wrong place. AMG GT is ugly, F Type is heavy, etc...

    Enthusiasts like the M2 and M4. For performance, the Supra will only be better. More performance, higher price.
     
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    What about corvette?
     
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    I am building a 1K HP 2JZ as we speak, and $15k adds up very quickly on engine mods. My current build is already at $14k and that doesn't include everything. Forget the performance side of things, the OEM replacement parts alone (panels, brackets, covers, etc...) would bring the cost of used Supra to insane price ranges. The manual transmission gauge cluster used on eBay right now goes for $1500!!!...USED!!! The way I want it, is clean...no dings and dents....an interior that doesn't smell like sweat shop or have claw marks all over the dashboard. See where I'm coming from? Why on earth would I spend $60k-$70k on a used TT Supra that will have imperfections, then another $15k-$20k on parts to make it the way I want it aesthetically with ~800HP, when I can get a GTR (for example) that is basically the same price, has 2018 technology, has a factory warranty, and has enough power that with a few simple bolt-on's will make nasty power "without" splitting open the motor. This is why I kept saying in my previous posts, I don't care about a manual trans, or vents, or whatever....if Toyota delivers a SOLID, STRONG, and POWERFUL platform out of the box, for $60k...I would be the first in line to buy one with every option on the list.

    This is very true....alot of people assume the guys who can spend big money on cars, don't care if the car has a warranty. This is one of the main reasons I stopped pursuing MKIV Supra's is because for $60k+, anything that happens to the car (modding or not) is your responsibility! That's not exactly the case with new cars....even after you mod them.
     
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    It was tested, but it hasn't been a thing since early on afaik.
     
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    This is what I mean when I say that I think Toyota is targeting the people who don't really know cars, but want a sports car to feel good about themselves or whatever their reasoning is. They know there's a significant market base there that will buy the car, so they add the bloated features that those people want. That's how they move them off the lot in the first place, but also know that people like us will get our hands on them eventually and turn them into what the MKIV is today. We know getting the car in the 3000lb range is attainable and we know that more power is attainable. Toyota is just trying to sell as many of them as they can. In doing so they're making some unfortunate sacrifices for any enthusiast that's hoping to get a new one and be happy with it, but it seems like that's their marketing strategy. Not sure why they don't just offer different trim levels (GRMN aside, let me decide if I want power seats on the base model), but Toyota seems to really be cutting back on options lately and only offering what they think most people will want.

    As far as options, take the Tacoma for example. In Canada, you can get a 6 speed manual, access cab, TRD Off Road. In the US, you can get a 6 speed manual, access cab, TRD Sport. You can't get either of them in the other country. They're built at the same location. Those 6 speed manual TRD Off Road trucks get transported straight through the US up to the border before they'll sell one. The truck is literally in production, all options are approved by the US government in various other forms, but they will not sell you that combination on this side of the border. Their packaging just makes no sense to me, but there must be some logistics cost-cutting involved, which is what it all comes down to.
     
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    On a different note, the Miata has confirmed to increase the power by 26.

    So now it is at 181 hp and potentially no weight changes while bumping the revline to 7500.

    I know Tada has said no changes for the 86 but for this second generation where they are competing with the miata, any news or predictions from this boost in competition?
     
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    Tada is officially retired and is only on temp contract to complete the Supra.

    I would be surprised if he is returning for 86 gen 2, especially given his overall health (hip issues, stressed out etc).


    I personally don't think Toyota has much of a plan right now, and if I was them I'd task engineering with developing or sourcing a slightly more powerful engine along with adding some more chassis stiffening.
     
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    So many folks still up in arms about the collaboration on Toyota's sports cars. Toyota is still a business last I checked, and no matter how much they make on automotive appliances, their sports cars still have to make sense. The 86/BRZ would *not* exist without Toyota, no matter how much anybody wishes it to be so. Same applies for the Z4/Supra. Say what you want about who engineers what, that is a FACT.

    American manufacturers spread their platforms and parts pretty wide, and have always had a massive market for Vettes, Stangs and Camaros. Not many other manufacturers enjoy that.

    I as much as anybody else would be disappointed if the rumors about an overweight, underpowered, overpriced (relatively) car wearing the Supra badge were to come true, but I think those expecting a direct recreation of the relative capability and market position of the Mk4 at a $40-$50k price point in 2019 are being completely unreasonable and living in the past.

    IIRC, a big deal was made about the Supra needing to have an I6. Toyota no longer manufactures I6s. They were never going to develop one from scratch for the Mk5 and if they did, I'm pretty sure we'd be looking at a $150k car. I would also expect that the same ppl balking at the LFA's pricetag heads would explode at the though of a $150k Supra. So you asked for an I6, you got it. That came with a lot attached. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. An expensive Supra already died in the market, what sensible business would attempt to make the same mistake twice?
     
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    Oh, one more thing. With a B58 based iron block, would Yamaha have done any work on the head?
     
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    Probably not. The way the prototype sounds, it looks like it's just gonna be a slightly muted S58 Bimmer engine.
    Besides, different manufacturers.
    I'm not an expert tho.
     

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