Supra Manual : "A future classic " ????

[6mt]

The last car listed in Doug's video is the manual Supra......mine will have 100K miles on it and sits outside , so it will not be a garage queen! Intersting list of cars to say the least. My neighbor has the exact electric blue backhawk six speed. I gave that car a serious look since it had a maual but I was done with Chevy. I never had BMW before. oops Toyota Supra.

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[NicKnack]

I'd be willing to bet the 3.0 Supra in general is a future classic. I have an MT as well but the ZF8 is a great transmission, and if you're chasing numbers is realistically the way to go.

Ultimately the platform itself is a lightweight (for modern times) Straight 6 Turbo with great dynamics, good styling and gearbox options on both sides of the auto vs. manual argument.

The platform itself will be a future classic regardless of transmission choice. It's going to take some time to get there though, anyone buying one of these cars hoping to turn a profit as an investment opportunity is fooling themselves, you'd make better returns on the market if that's all you're chasing.

 

[kanmann88]

I also like to think (wishfully, perhaps) that the future will look back on the collaboration between Toyota and BMW more kindly than it did at inception. A legendary BMW engine, a platform developed by the two, and a Toyota-tuned 6MT or the amazing ZF8 AT. I also think this car will prove to be incredibly reliable.

 

[6mt]

I'd be willing to bet the 3.0 Supra in general is a future classic. I have an MT as well but the ZF8 is a great transmission, and if you're chasing numbers is realistically the way to go.

Ultimately the platform itself is a lightweight (for modern times) Straight 6 Turbo with great dynamics, good styling and gearbox options on both sides of the auto vs. manual argument.

The platform itself will be a future classic regardless of transmission choice. It's going to take some time to get there though, anyone buying one of these cars hoping to turn a profit as an investment opportunity is fooling themselves, you'd make better returns on the market if that's all you're chasing.

I agree either gear box....the amount of people in 20 year that know how to drive a manual will be the issue

 

[PowerGetter]

Not sure what this fascination is about appreciating value and/or the potential thereof. Just enjoy the car man.

I think it's safe to assume that most currently-modern ICE performance cars will be "classics" and/or sought after when the industry has predominately moved over to EV.

 

[6mt]

Not sure what this fascination is about appreciating value and/or the potential thereof. Just enjoy the car man.

I think it's safe to assume that most currently-modern ICE performance cars will be "classics" and/or sought after when the industry has predominately moved over to EV.

Not sure where your getting the term "Facination " from, my car was at home depot, costco and will be at the San Diego airport parking lot for the weekend. Just sharing info on the Supra. Kind of the idea of a forum. So why are you reading the forum?

 

[DisMahhhlon]

The amount of "OH, IT'S A STICK!?" when people look inside my car leads me to believe it'll be a classic lol.

 

[shaloot]

It’ll be a classic for sure. The bigger concern is, how many shops will know how to do serious work on them lol. Even the Toyota dealership doesn’t have much of a clue now.

 

[FLtrackdays]

It’ll be a classic for sure. The bigger concern is, how many shops will know how to do serious work on them lol. Even the Toyota dealership doesn’t have much of a clue now.

Agree. But thank goodness this isn’t the 1st BMW ever made. Hopefully most peeps know not to bring her to a Toyota dealer ?

 

[nosavingthrow]

It’ll be a classic for sure. The bigger concern is, how many shops will know how to do serious work on them lol. Even the Toyota dealership doesn’t have much of a clue now.

I wouldn't worry about that - the car is nearly 100% BMW parts for all the mechanical and electronic parts and isn't really special in terms of how to work on it compared to other BMWs.

Dealership experience is indeed a total shit show, but luckily you don't need to rely on them long term once you are past warranty.

 

[johnnyskids]

I think there is likely a lot that goes into how a vehicle can turn into a desirable "classic", that's what we are talking about because technically any old vehicle can be a classic if it's old enough.

Things that I think will be in the favor of the Supra, smaller number sold, likely the last full ICE Supra, the legend of the Supra will continue on with endless numbers of fast and furious movies, and the fact it's not an exotic (meaning it doesn't scare people with the possibility of maintenance cost).

All that being said, it's going to be fairly rare that the original owner will reap any appreciation in value as these things typically take a decade or more. Also, I think the company Hagerty puts out an article every year (at least they used to) on current vehicles that are sold and that they bet will be "future desirable classics". I'd say that's worth a read also as they special in such things.

 

[ColonelAdama]

I don't expect to make any money on this car, but it helps not to lose much. Genuinely makes the ownership experience better when there is less pressure to sell.

Anyone can look at the values of comparables and see that low-volume MT sports cars always do well long term. Maybe a good example is prices of E46 M3s MT vs SMG. Most of the MT "value" is just rarity per demand. Doug is likely right with the prediction.

Unlikely that MTs drop below 50 for a while.

 

[F348]

The answer is unfortunately, no. There won't be anyone left that knows how to drive a manual transmission. Without the cheap entry level manual cars for new drivers to drive and learn, the transmission will just become a relict of the past.

 

[Drot]

The answer is unfortunately, no. There won't be anyone left that knows how to drive a manual transmission. Without the cheap entry level manual cars for new drivers to drive and learn, the transmission will just become a relict of the past.

Strong disagree. I think enthusiasts will buy manuals and learn how to drive them even if there aren't entry level new cars to buy with one. There will still be plenty of civic level (or hell even cheaper) manual used cars around for decades.

 

[Mauiboy406]

I'd be willing to bet the 3.0 Supra in general is a future classic. I have an MT as well but the ZF8 is a great transmission, and if you're chasing numbers is realistically the way to go.

Ultimately the platform itself is a lightweight (for modern times) Straight 6 Turbo with great dynamics, good styling and gearbox options on both sides of the auto vs. manual argument.

The platform itself will be a future classic regardless of transmission choice. It's going to take some time to get there though, anyone buying one of these cars hoping to turn a profit as an investment opportunity is fooling themselves, you'd make better returns on the market if that's all you're chasing.

This is 100% accurate. If you are chasing an ROI, to put it in perspective a 45k Mk4 supra purchased in 1997 and sold for 130k today would net an ROI of about 4% a year. at that rate your way better off investing in stocks or other securities.
Now to have a positive ROI at all on a vehicle is rare, it's still not outperforming other investments.
Just drive the car and enjoy it, if you can turn a profit after enjoying the car for 20+ years neat... thats not why you did it tho, you enjoyed the car.

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