What wing do I run on my Supra?

[maniac]

Nice looking street wing and thats it

its suited to those that dont run front downforce i think.....and looks great in the tall swan!

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[Islindur]

its suited to those that dont run front downforce i think.....and looks great in the tall swan!

I say verus standard front splitter would be a good match for it or run at 0° with no front aero.
Yes it does look cool, prob best looking "street" wing. But should be cheaper imo.

I'm I am rly interested Revozport wing, since their aero consulting is done by the ex verus guy, the man behind Feras corvette aero so I expect a lot from it. I talked with Jackie a little about it, its supposed to be 1700-1750mm with expected performance simmilar to their M2 wing (and they took M2 to the wind tunnel, rest of the products will be based on M2 findings). It somehow should perform better than V1x looking at the cfd data.
Pic on m2:

 

[Mori]

Anyone have data for the new Adro Reverse Swan Neck wing?
Curious if this mounting position will produce relevant downforce unlike their original wing.

Link: https://www.adro.com/products/gr-supra-at-p1-reverse-swan-neck-wing-1

 

[i3igpete]

I'm I am rly interested Revozport wing,

What does the CL work out to be on the revozport wing when you back-calculate it?

As long as it's above 2.2-ish (and not into the 2.6+ bullshit territory) that's roughly what all the good profiles can hit. so it's just a matter of the manufacturer scaling up the airfoil area and supporting it properly.

Curious if this mounting position will produce relevant downforce unlike their original wing.

Highly doubt it would change things more than, say, 5%. The problem was never the mount or the airfoil shape that the adro folks picked, ALL single element wings (that dont suck) fall into a CL range between 2.0 and 2.4. You can get a small boost with a gurney flap, but so can your competitors, so that's awash.

Ultimately, the adro wing performs so poorly because they sized the damn thing so small. Wing area (chord*span) matters and you can see its approximately half of what the AJH wing is. You can't change the lift equation.

 

[ChrisRay]

Updated with LED wing by Goghen Designs and included data sources and Lift Coeff Table. Remember, anything above 2.4 on a single element is likely bullshit if it doesn't have a gurney flap. Anything below 1.7 is seeing a ton of dirty air if on a car, or just plain sad if it's freestream.

AJ Hartman also says the full kit on the supra produced better downforce and less drag than his own personal mustang gt350, though he hasn't published numbers. He says the delta could be misrepresented due to compounding factors* - the order in which you add/remove part will change the apparent effect of a given part. Which is fair, if your audience is non-technical. My homies that work engine dyno cells can attest to the same effect when you're doing an engine stripdown test. But either way, it sounds like the ballparks can be trusted.

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Thank you for posting this. I am so Happy to find these guys. I wanted actual tested and not some guy at a track that says it works good...

 

[FLtrackdays]

What does the CL work out to be on the revozport wing when you back-calculate it?

As long as it's above 2.2-ish (and not into the 2.6+ bullshit territory) that's roughly what all the good profiles can hit. so it's just a matter of the manufacturer scaling up the airfoil area and supporting it properly.



Highly doubt it would change things more than, say, 5%. The problem was never the mount or the airfoil shape that the adro folks picked, ALL single element wings (that dont suck) fall into a CL range between 2.0 and 2.4. You can get a small boost with a gurney flap, but so can your competitors, so that's awash.

Ultimately, the adro wing performs so poorly because they sized the damn thing so small. Wing area (chord*span) matters and you can see its approximately half of what the AJH wing is. You can't change the lift equation.

Good example & unfortunate. The smaller top one looks better ?. Can’t wait for more DRS versions to become available. Like on the Mustang GTD:

https://www.ford.com/performance/mustang-gtd

 

[Islindur]

Good example & unfortunate. The smaller top one looks better ?. Can’t wait for more DRS versions to become available. Like on the Mustang GTD:

https://www.ford.com/performance/mustang-gtd

Well there is DRS wing from Vulcan Alpha but i'd say for dual element its performance is underwhelming...

 

[Vtec13]

Data on wings is so subjective. different cars make different downforce. unless the wings are tested back to back on the same car on the same set up at the same time, you cant compare. even changing the ride height 1/4" will change the down force.

as for DRS, you should check out what Zebulon did on the Pikes Peak Hill Climb car. we can adapt it to street cars easily.

 

[i3igpete]

unless the wings are tested back to back on the same car on the same set up at the same time, you cant compare.

We all know this.

What is your proposed solution?

 

[PowerGetter]

I went V1X personally because it provided the most efficient downforce vs drag penalty without going dual element from research I've done. It's large (can't beat physics) and highly adjustable. While the V1X endplates add more downforce, I had custom endplates made to reduce the drag they created and ensured there was minimal spill from the high pressure side by having them extend down quite a bit.

I'm sure you know, but aero is just solving a problem, and depending on what splitter, rear diffuser (connected to a floor or not?), splitter endplates, canards/no canards, etc really changes your optimal setup. Then there's regulations you have to consider if you're doing Gridlife stuff or Global Time Attack/NASA TT, SCCA, etc. I guess this is all just to say that it's difficult for any of us to say what you should get because your goals are probably different than ours.

 

[Islindur]

I went V1X personally because it provided the most efficient downforce vs drag penalty without going dual element from research I've done. It's large (can't beat physics) and highly adjustable. While the V1X endplates add more downforce, I had custom endplates made to reduce the drag they created and ensured there was minimal spill from the high pressure side by having them extend down quite a bit.

I'm sure you know, but aero is just solving a problem, and depending on what splitter, rear diffuser (connected to a floor or not?), splitter endplates, canards/no canards, etc really changes your optimal setup. Then there's regulations you have to consider if you're doing Gridlife stuff or Global Time Attack/NASA TT, SCCA, etc. I guess this is all just to say that it's difficult for any of us to say what you should get because your goals are probably different than ours.

Did U do custom size or ots 1650mm? I wana order wing this year and thinking between v1x and zebulon. Big + of v1x is fits p&p with ucw verus wing i have now..
@kyle9 Also recommends v1x, supposed to have less drag than spage sp012.

 

[Vtec13]

We all know this.

What is your proposed solution?

no doubt we all know this, i just wanted to bring it up in the thread so that people don't get focused on numbers.

I don't have a great solution, but i am also biased since i am a fabricator at Zebulon.

I'm sure you know, but aero is just solving a problem, and depending on what splitter, rear diffuser (connected to a floor or not?), splitter endplates, canards/no canards, etc really changes your optimal setup. Then there's regulations you have to consider if you're doing Gridlife stuff or Global Time Attack/NASA TT, SCCA, etc. I guess this is all just to say that it's difficult for any of us to say what you should get because your goals are probably different than ours.

this. our belief is that a car should be well set up and as balanced as possible before adding aero. the aero should be a compliment not a band aid.

 

[PowerGetter]

Did U do custom size or ots 1650mm? I wana order wing this year and thinking between v1x and zebulon. Big + of v1x is fits p&p with ucw verus wing i have now..
@kyle9 Also recommends v1x, supposed to have less drag than spage sp012.

default OTS sizing on the V1X. That sounds like a huge benefit to be able to reuse uprights from your current setup.

 

[Islindur]

default OTS sizing on the V1X. That sounds like a huge benefit to be able to reuse uprights from your current setup.

Just the mounting brackets, since i have bottom mount UCW. So take ucw wing with uprights off, v1x with swans bolt straight into exisitng ones, no need to redrill or do anythingm thats why i'm greatly considering it.

 

[Rensuhlo]

Just the mounting brackets, since i have bottom mount UCW. So take ucw wing with uprights off, v1x with swans bolt straight into exisitng ones, no need to redrill or do anythingm thats why i'm greatly considering it.

What, no way !!
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