All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

[gymratter]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/t...ration-is-your-favorite.486/page-3#post-23520

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[Bassoonytoon]

My thought on the matter as someone that is neutral (not planning on getting a J29 or Z34 2.0). Out of the 6.5K+ members on here I truly believe most do not really care about the upcoming Z. It's only a small hand full like around 10 or so that likes to keep things interesting. The same can be said about our sister forum as well. For the most part the majority of people on both forums are chilled and reasonable; it's only a small minority that likes to stir the pot.

I can appreciate that. I think a lot of the frustration may come from seemingly every online magazine/blog/video that allows comments on the Z. Every one will have people repeating a variation on one of four comments:

1 - look, no fake vents lol@Supra owners ?
2 - this car is beautiful, unlike that ugly Supra ?
3 - real enthusiasts will pick the Z because of the manual. Only idiots will buy a Supra ?
4 - look, a REAL Japanese sports car. RIP BMW Zupra ?

So while it may not be that bad on our sister forum (I don’t know, I’ve never looked) it is bad everywhere else and those who appreciate the Supra usually seem to be in the minority. The Z fans are everywhere while us Supra fans, well… we’re all here. 108 pages and counting of our Supra support group (and even we seem to have Z fans here ?‍ Seriously they’re EVERYWHERE!).

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

I think in a month or two we'll get performance figures. I believe it'll be like this

Manual = 0-60 in 4.5 - 1/4 mile in 12.8-13
Auto = 0-60 in 4.2 - 1/4 mile in 12.3 -12.7

I'm factoring its heavier weight vs the Supra and if the motor really makes 350-360whp like the Q60RS dyno's I've seen vs the Supra's 370-385whp.

4.2 sounds correct if the 15% faster than the 370Z comment from Nissan is true.

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/what-is-the-situation-with-0-60.638/page-2#post-15185

 

[MLG Tofu Shop]

I can appreciate that. I think a lot of the frustration may come from seemingly every online magazine/blog/video that allows comments on the Z. Every one will have people repeating a variation on one of four comments:

1 - look, no fake vents lol@Supra owners ?
2 - this car is beautiful, unlike that ugly Supra ?
3 - real enthusiasts will pick the Z because of the manual. Only idiots will buy a Supra ?
4 - look, a REAL Japanese sports car. RIP BMW Zupra ?

So while it may not be that bad on our sister forum (I don’t know, I’ve never looked) it is bad everywhere else and those who appreciate the Supra usually seem to be in the minority. The Z fans are everywhere while us Supra fans, well… we’re all here. 108 pages and counting of our Supra support group (and even we seem to have Z fans here ?‍ Seriously they’re EVERYWHERE!).

From what I've seen when it comes to Japanese car brands, the majority of the fanboys that you'll see on the internet are either Honda fanboys or Nissan fanboys, just look at the automotive content on the internet and social media that gets a sh!t ton of views and likes.

 

[Supra93]

I can appreciate that. I think a lot of the frustration may come from seemingly every online magazine/blog/video that allows comments on the Z. Every one will have people repeating a variation on one of four comments:

1 - look, no fake vents lol@Supra owners ?
2 - this car is beautiful, unlike that ugly Supra ?
3 - real enthusiasts will pick the Z because of the manual. Only idiots will buy a Supra ?
4 - look, a REAL Japanese sports car. RIP BMW Zupra ?

So while it may not be that bad on our sister forum (I don’t know, I’ve never looked) it is bad everywhere else and those who appreciate the Supra usually seem to be in the minority. The Z fans are everywhere while us Supra fans, well… we’re all here. 108 pages and counting of our Supra support group (and even we seem to have Z fans here ?‍ Seriously they’re EVERYWHERE!).

I get that, when I was younger I also encounter stupid comments all the time. As I posted in the BMW comment thread awhile back, people just need to let it go if you will. I stopped giving a rat's ass what people think a long time ago. Most of the time the trolls are just trying to get an reaction from you, so why give them the satisfaction?

There are always a few bad apples, but the majority of people on both platforms are fairly level headed and open to debate. I encourage both sides to join the other forum and engage in a healthy different POV discussion.

 

[saik]

I can appreciate that. I think a lot of the frustration may come from seemingly every online magazine/blog/video that allows comments on the Z. Every one will have people repeating a variation on one of four comments:

1 - look, no fake vents lol@Supra owners ?
2 - this car is beautiful, unlike that ugly Supra ?
3 - real enthusiasts will pick the Z because of the manual. Only idiots will buy a Supra ?
4 - look, a REAL Japanese sports car. RIP BMW Zupra ?

So while it may not be that bad on our sister forum (I don’t know, I’ve never looked) it is bad everywhere else and those who appreciate the Supra usually seem to be in the minority. The Z fans are everywhere while us Supra fans, well… we’re all here. 108 pages and counting of our Supra support group (and even we seem to have Z fans here ?‍ Seriously they’re EVERYWHERE!).

This is pretty spot-on. And to be honest even before buying the Supra, I was prepared for the "BMW" and "Not a manual" jokes. Some even from Mazda3 owners who probably can't even afford a basic BMW, let alone a Supra, chime in about how it's "Just a BMW." But honestly a lot of it is out of fear or envy. So with the Nissan debut, for some reason it feeds these trolls on a potential "Supra killer" which is what we're seeing slowly pan out.

 

[Haste]

This is pretty spot-on. And to be honest even before buying the Supra, I was prepared for the "BMW" and "Not a manual" jokes. Some even from Mazda3 owners who probably can't even afford a basic BMW, let alone a Supra, chime in about how it's "Just a BMW." But honestly a lot of it is out of fear or envy. So with the Nissan debut, for some reason it feeds these trolls on a potential "Supra killer" which is what we're seeing slowly pan out.

I try not to assume anyone's financial situation based on the car that they are driving, but agree that in some cases it's probably jealousy or they have some other issue going on in their life. Even if I don't like a particular car, my issues are all with the car, not with anyone who owns one. Too much is made personal these days just because we don't all like the same things or we have a different point of view.

 

[digicidal]

All that Z's through the ages pic says to me is "good, nice, good,even better, fantastic, great, almost perfect, OMG WTF!?" - in chronological order. Some of the styling choices made on the 370Z were questionable... but almost all of the ones with the new Z are.

Of course, maybe I'm biased because the 370Z's color looks closest to Nitro Yellow.

I have to hand it to Dodge - few "nostalgia updates" seem to actually pull it off in the final product (MKV included). The Challenger actually does it best IMO. Unfortunately, horribly inefficient and completely unreliable are deal breakers for me, so it wasn't really an option.

 

[Travelingsoldier]

Reliability and Nissan should not be in the same sentence.

 

[digicidal]

Reliability and Nissan should not be in the same sentence.

Reliability = it will break eventually, on that you can rely. Honestly, although I had a ton of problems (ultimately resulting in engine replacements under warranty) on my 350Z, my G37 was basically bulletproof and just needed "BMW standard maintenance" - i.e. every gasket and seal replaced eventually due to leaking.

 

[Haste]

Reliability = it will break eventually, on that you can rely. Honestly, although I had a ton of problems (ultimately resulting in engine replacements under warranty) on my 350Z, my G37 was basically bulletproof and just needed "BMW standard maintenance" - i.e. every gasket and seal replaced eventually due to leaking.

Interesting, what year 350Z? Obviously every owner's experience with vary and certain models are plagued with specific issues for just about any owner. I don't consider any car that I've owned to be unreliable, but the 3 Nissans (240SX, 350Z (HR) and 370Z) were all really reliable even by the conventional definition.

I look at it a little differently though, even more so after owning a BMW, but I think of reliability as does it safely work when I need it to?, not how often do I end up fixing something on it. By either definition my 335i has been the most unreliable and is the only car to ever leave me stranded in 20+ years, but that was just due to the plastic coolant hose flange disintegrating while I was at work. There was no immediate fix for that so I bummed a ride home, overnighted an aluminum one to my office and fixed it in the parking lot the next day. Not too bad for the 100k miles that I've driven it, and I still consider it pretty reliable as that car will technically run just fine with beat turbos, a leaking waterpump, oil leaking from every gasket/seal, etc. ?

Obviously in your case of constant issues eventually leading to an engine replacement it was not reliable. Glad it was under warranty.

 

[Davidpingu]

I think getting hate just goes with the territory if you choose to own a MkV. You’ve got to have thick skin for sure.
Luckily, owning an FK8 I’m used to hearing about how my car is “rice” “fugly” and “fake”. (All online comments though and never in person)
Regardless of the hate it’s a great drive, the end. Same goes with the A90 and here’s hoping the same goes for the 400. If it makes you smile when you drive it then that’s all that I think should matter.
I was generally excited by the news about the 400z but then we got told they weren’t coming to Europe.
I’ve been tempted by a Nissan a couple times now. It started with the 350z vs DC5 but I needed rear seats back then. Then the 370z was an option I looked at before getting the FK8 and I also briefly considered an older GTR when looking at the A90.
I think my biggest complaint about Nissan is their interiors never seem to wear well. The GTR I drove had a very tired interior and it just feels like they don’t tend to age well. Even it’s exterior looks a little dated to me now too. It’s not enough to put me off one but it always seems when a Nissan is on my shortlist it loses out to something else.
I guess you could say I was a bit of a Honda fanboy for a while. I liked how prior to emissions and the necessity for turbos they could extract so much from a relatively small NA motor. It was just something different and relatively unique.
Now that everything has become much more of a level playing field particularly with Eu cars with downsized displacement, turbos and gpf’s strangling out any level of uniqueness in engine sound it seems like there’s less to become loyal to with a particular brand?
With the A90 being heavily BMW it clearly bothers a lot of people but I just figured that actually I really don’t care. It’s a good car in its price range and it looks different to anything else out there right now. The end.

 

[GMsuperfan]

From what I've seen when it comes to Japanese car brands, the majority of the fanboys that you'll see on the internet are either Honda fanboys or Nissan fanboys, just look at the automotive content on the internet and social media that gets a sh!t ton of views and likes.

Agree. IMO, because they are more affordable to the common man (Godzilla and NSX being the exception). People who had the luxury of owning a Supra in the last 10 years have had either been lucky, in the right place at the right time, or have had enough disposable income. The Z has always struck a balance of "good enough" performance and $ value. People are buying up 350z's for drift cars because they are dirt cheap, handle well enough, and make enough power to break rear traction. I'm curious to see if Nissan makes enough money on this car to justify an R36. Two very expensive cars to engineer and produce at the same time...../complete rant

 

[Evolution]

I think I have posted in this thread before but since it's been a while and things are progressing, here are my thoughts now.

I am not going to compare the 2 out of the box since i am a believer that the Supra will be better. If the z really is going to be 10k cheaper, I am going to look at it like, what can I do for 10k to make the car better? If dumping 10k makes the z a better performer than the supra at the same price point, then great! That's awesome. Now what happens when you dump 10k into a supra and 20k in a z? If the supra is better, then we have our winner. Overall price after mods is what I am after. Maybe one dollar for dollar will be a better drag car and the other will be a better track day car. We will see.

Personal preference is the supra will always look better and have a nicer interior. What I am really waiting on is which one ends up being more reliable. Both brands (leaving Toyota out of this since they didnt build the car) have had issues over the years. So far the supra has given me no issues. The 07 350z I had gave me multiple runs to the dealer for warranty work in the same mileage as my supra has.

 

[digicidal]

Interesting, what year 350Z?
...
Obviously in your case of constant issues eventually leading to an engine replacement it was not reliable. Glad it was under warranty.

Mine was an '06. It had horrible oil consumption issues - like a quart every ~700 miles bad. Took 4 "tests" at the dealership over the course of a year before the engine replacement was approved. It had several other problems during that time as well, but nothing that would have been a big deal in isolation. Maybe it ran great for years after all that, but it left such a bad taste that I just wanted it gone.

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