Nissan Z vs Toyota Supra

[BMWAF]

Of course. That's why we have things like lap times, dyno's, brake tests, 1/4mile, 0-60, etc to take personal opinion out of it. And that's exactly the whole point. The Supra IS the better car, but instead of acknowledging that simple fact, we get stupid shit with a trunk (because that's why we buy sports cars, to move trunks) and desperate opinionated crap to justify bias.

Stop making sense. This is the internet!

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[MLG Tofu Shop]

The Z has great "driving feel" because it rolls around about as much as a fishing boat in rough seas .

 

[Rocksandblues]

Of course. That's why we have things like lap times, dyno's, brake tests, 1/4mile, 0-60, etc to take personal opinion out of it. And that's exactly the whole point. The Supra IS the better car, but instead of acknowledging that simple fact, we get stupid shit with a trunk (because that's why we buy sports cars, to move trunks) and desperate opinionated crap to justify bias.

Don't forget the window buffeting.

 

[Rocksandblues]

The Supra lacks nothing in driver feel. Anyone that says different is clueless.
You want lack of driver feel? Drive a Dodge Challenger, then come talk lol.

It does a little bit. Of course if you are coming from a Dodge anything will feel decades better. But the Supra steering is meh and the stock suspension is too soft and not super communicative.

Even my 2002 M3 has more "driver feel"

.02 from a track rat

 

[Dannyvandelft]

It does a little bit. Of course if you are coming from a Dodge anything will feel decades better. But the Supra steering is meh and the stock suspension is too soft and not super communicative.

Even my 2002 M3 has more "driver feel"

.02 from a track rat

I think it's fine. My "home" track is Mid-Ohio, and I even leave the suspension in the soft setting on that track. All the elevation changes especially in Madness, going over the crest while turning, the car behaves beautifully.

 

[Rocksandblues]

I think it's fine. My "home" track is Mid-Ohio, and I even leave the suspension in the soft setting on that track. All the elevation changes especially in Madness, going over the crest while turning, the car behaves beautifully.

behaves awesome certainly. It is very very good on the track right out of the box. But there is capability and there is driver feedback and feel. the circles intersect but many other cars they overlap more.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

behaves awesome certainly. It is very very good on the track right out of the box. But there is capability and there is driver feedback and feel. the circles intersect but many other cars they overlap more.

Of course, there will always be something better. Especially with different drivers having different styles and different preferences. I like my cars on the nose so that's how I set them up, others like them more neutral, etc. I HATE understeer, so while I loved my STI in the winter, I hated taking it on track. Doesn't mean it was bad, but it just wasn't my kind of car. The Supra fits me like a glove. But that's all subjective crap lol.

 

[Stvee]

I'll be interested to see the 2023 reviews since they retuned the suspension/steering/differential for the new model year. Hopefully we'll see those later this month or early next.

 

[UCLAKoolman]

I will concede that Mark was too hard on the GR Supra in this review compared to other ones, but one review doesn't mean that he's a bad reviewer overall. Everyone naturally has pre-programmed biases, and they both have their preferences. What's important is that they did not misconstrue the facts and the hard numbers. But my defence of Mark for this review stops there.

I don't watch all of their content but they've made a few Supra videos and Mark has had the same bad attitude toward the Supra in each of them (so it's not just this video). Based on that I have a hard time believing he's being objective in his review, especially when the Supra outperforms the Z in every objective metric!

I recall in another video (I think it was a follow-up discussion of the '21 Supra; edit: I linked it below), Mark sarcastically groans about having to be under a Supra again. Even in this video, he's still making the tired BMW jokes after three years. Come on, they even titled the video "A Real JDM Battle" - surely they didn't intend to continue fueling resentment in viewers/comments regarding the BMW collab. This YouTuber clickbait stuff takes them down a step.

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And @11:45: "Now with the Z with a twin turbo 400 horsepower car with a manual transmission out of the box... there's absolutely no point to get this [Supra] other than just you're kind of a bmw toyota fan" - And now we know the Supra outperforms the Z and there is a manual Supra on the horizon. Didn't seem to change Mark's opinion.

 

[Guff]

Of course, there will always be something better. Especially with different drivers having different styles and different preferences. I like my cars on the nose so that's how I set them up, others like them more neutral, etc. I HATE understeer, so while I loved my STI in the winter, I hated taking it on track. Doesn't mean it was bad, but it just wasn't my kind of car. The Supra fits me like a glove. But that's all subjective crap lol.

See Danny, we can agree on something . Objective data is useful but subjective crap is what sells cars to drivers IMO. You and I both don't like STi's for the same reason, but I definitely prefer more stability on track, so I'll take neutral understeer vs oversteer. Both can be fast though! Look at Will Au-Yeung vs Jackie Ding, two very different setups, both absolute monsters on the circuit. Where the Z ends up, I don't really care, I don't buy Nissans out of principle lmao. But I think you and I both should still drive one.

 

[RenRed2]

I don't watch all of their content but they've made a few Supra videos and Mark has had the same bad attitude toward the Supra in each of them (so it's not just this video). Based on that I have a hard time believing he's being objective in his review, especially when the Supra outperforms the Z in every objective metric!

I recall in another video (I think it was a discussion of changes to the '21 Supra; edit: I linked it below), Mark's groans about having to be under a Supra again. Even in this video, he's still making the tired BMW jokes after three years. Come on, they even titled the video "A Real JDM Battle" - surely they didn't intend to fuel resentment in viewers/comments regarding the BMW collab.

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His technique is old and well proven - he gets paid to be an idiot who drives polarity to drive views to drive money into his account. He is a paid shill. That much has been utterly proven. As far as 'car guys' go.........he is utterly sad. He has shite for credibility. He is Goosed Liver pate'.

Just watch the Cammisa - Pobst video here. Its explains things in a professional and much more polished way about the Z and philosophy of its development. Jason knows well its a reskinned sports sedan as an almost sports car. Something Nissan mildly put out as stating its a GT. Z brothers/fans took that to mean Supra Killer I think lol. Without stating its the better 'drivers car' he makes a more measured case for the Z if you dont want the Supra or are simply partial to all things Z etc etc. I speak as a former 2010 370Z owner here in Germany. I enjoyed mine but it was deeply flawed. I did enjoy it overall and it did gain alot of attention. When detailed and clean it was a nice car to view.

Savage goose feathers could learn a thing or 2 from this video as I noted above - https://www.hagerty.com/media/video...ta-wrx-f-pace-svr-jason-cammisa-on-the-icons/

 

[zrk]

I don't buy Nissans out of principle lmao

I just bought a 3k altima. Can we still be friends?

 

[Guff]

I just bought a 3k altima. Can we still be friends?

NO! I don't make friends with masochists

 

[zrk]

NO! I don't make friends with masochists

LOL. It's for the kid.

 

[UCLAKoolman]

Just watch the Cammisa - Pobst video here.... Without stating its the better 'drivers car' he makes a more measured case for the Z if you dont want the Supra or are simply partial to all things Z etc etc.

Good points, and I absolutely agree with this assessment of Cammisa.

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