New Toyota Supra rumored to get Toyota twin turbo V6 engine

[NYC_Supra]

300kw = approx 400hp (402)

450 Nm = 328lb ft or torque

The torque number would be very low for a turbo engine but is similar to the figures of what several publications claimed from over a year ago, 943F has been quoted to make 440+lb ft of torque elsewhere which makes more sense.

As said a lot of the other details seem rehashed from older articles and with questionable merit.

But even if the number was 400hp I agree that number is too low relative to everything else and current Lexus models.

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[SupraGuy19]

In this day and age, 500hp would be more fitting for the modern era Supra.

 

[Haros]

I had to create an account just to refute this contradicting article.

This car has already been stated to cost at the least $60k USD from Toyota itself and yet will start with a 240hp 4 banger and weigh 3300lbs?
That would make most econo boxes faster in a straight line. Even Toyota's own 86 would be quicker. That doesn't make sense.
Not for what the starting price is being speculated.

We thankfully live in a time where there is a lot of affordable sports cars in the market and I do believe the supra will be in direct competitive to ZL1s, mustang 350s, Caymans(718) etc.

So either the Supra will start at a lower price point than was previously quoted or its engine options will output more beef.
Because according to this article I'm made to believe Toyota will produce an $80,000 canadian 240hp car that is more expensive than a near 400hp Porsche cayman s or a 500hp camaro that's much less the cost. Unlikely.

 

[Guff]

Was it Motoring.co.au or motormag.co.au that constantly posts baseless speculation and tries to pass it off as fact? I don't remember which, maybe it was both.

Regardless, I'd take all of this with a very heavy pinch of salt. This article reads completely like sharebait as it just dumps all this "information" that it magically produced from anonymous insiders. These same articles were written in droves when the 86 was being developed (and afterwards too regarding turbo models) and they were all 100% falsification designed to get people like us excited and sharing these articles.

 

[Craigy]

Was it Motoring.co.au or motormag.co.au that constantly posts baseless speculation and tries to pass it off as fact? I don't remember which, maybe it was both.

Regardless, I'd take all of this with a very heavy pinch of salt. This article reads completely like sharebait as it just dumps all this "information" that it magically produced from anonymous insiders. These same articles were written in droves when the 86 was being developed (and afterwards too regarding turbo models) and they were all 100% falsification designed to get people like us excited and sharing these articles.

Every single magazine that's reported on possible powertrains for the Supra has done this. Worst offender in my memory is Autocar, which essentially told us the car would come with about 4 or 5 different powertrains, but it's all from "sources" which is complete BS. And Autocar is a fairly legit publication. One of the first articles came out years ago with a journalist speculating basically saying "it's a Toyota, so probably hybrid" and the shit just spiraled off from there.

The recent BMW model list with engine codes gave them a pretty good bone to chew on, but thusfar there has been no press release or legitimate inside source on powertrain options.

 

[Captain_Kirk]

Lexus LS 500 Engine & Transmission

The fifth-generation Lexus LS will debut the V35A-FTS twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V6 developed specifically for the new flagship.

The new engine puts out 416 horsepower and 442 lb-ft of torque, and represents a major upgrade over the outgoing 4.6L V8 of the current model. In terms of raw information, here’s the point form:

• DOHC 24-valve twin turbocharged V6 with intake VVT-iE and exhaust VVT-i continuously Variable Valve Timing with intelligence and D-4S direct-to-cylinder injection system plus secondary port injectors
• Displacement: 3444 cm (210.2 cubic inches)
• Bore x stroke: 88.5mm x 100mm (3.37 inches x 3.94 inches)
• 416 horsepower @ 6000 rpm (310 kW, 421 ps)
• 442 lb.-ft. of torque @ 1600-4800 rpm (600 Nm, 61.2 kg-m)
• Flat torque curve from 1,600 RPM to 4,800 RPM

There’s even a diagram:

In building the V35A-FTS, engineers turned to Toyota’s shuttered F1 program and ongoing race efforts in World Rally Championship and World Endurance-Racing Championship. The result was a major redesign of the intake ports, including an increased valve angle and the use of laser-clad intake valve seats in the cylinder heads — here’s a video demonstration comparing old and new:



The LS 500 marks the first time twin turbochargers have been used in a Lexus vehicle. Rather than outsourcing the tech, the system was designed and produced in-house to ensure LS flagship levels of performance and quiet operation.

Compared to a conventional turbocharger, the V35A-FTS uses a longer turbine with curved blades, ensuring consistent turbo boost and availability even at low engine speeds. The system is controlled by a proprietary electric-actuator wastegate — an electric wastegate valve is used to control turbocharger boost, output, fuel economy, and emission performance, while a motorized actuator is used to control the opening and closing of the valve.

A new version of the Lexus D-4S gasoline direct injection plus port injection system was developed for the TTV6 — called D-4ST, it controls new six hole direct injectors and the port fuel injectors. To reduce lag, twin water-to-air intercoolers are mounted on top of the engine, directly between the turbochargers and intake throttle.

Remarkable powertrain smoothness, a Lexus hallmark, begins deep inside the cylinder block, where a ladder frame support for the crankshaft main bearings adds rigidity for low vibration. Redesigned engine mounts, the electric wastegates and numerous other features also contribute to the engine’s ultra-smooth demeanor.

As for fuel economy — the rear-wheel drive LS will get City 19 mpg/ Highway 29 mpg/ Combined 23 mpg, while the all-wheel drive model will rate at City 18 mpg/ Highway 27 mpg/ Combined 21 mpg.

LS 500 Transmission
The LS 500 uses the same 10-speed direct-shift automatic transmission that debuted in LC coupe:

Despite having two more gears, the new transmission weighs the same as the outgoing 8-speed gearbox — this was done by using aluminum for the clutch drum, clutch hub and planetary carrier, along with a resin plastic oil pan.

The engine and transmission are directly connected via torque converter lockup control, which is only disabled during acceleration from a stop.

Built into the transmission is AI-Shift Control, an artificial intelligence module that will hold or shift a gear depending on the driver’s prior history, current acceleration, braking and lateral-g forces. There are also steering wheel shifter paddles on every LS model.

 

[Supra93]

Saw this on another forum.

 

[soundman414]

How can you have a 4 speed automatic AND a CVT in the same car?

 

[solidsamir]

Saw this on another forum.

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The asterisk next to everything says estimated, and I'm glad its an estimate cause that is f******n b*******t...why would they price that car at 65k...thats insane and unrealistic for a Toyota

 

[CSUfiend]

This is all esimates, BUT

I really hope that 480HP TT V6 is true. Sounds way better than the 360hp or so BMW inline 6.

Unless it is a porky pig, those specs should allow for 0-60 in under 4 seconds (assuming it is ~3400 lbs)

Since I have been looking at the RC-F anyway, I don't mind the $65k price tag. Especially if it does deliver over 450+HP. I would be disappointed though if a loaded one gets into the mid to high 80's. But when you adjust inflation, wouldn't this 65k figure be roughly about the same as an MKIV when it was new?

Please let it be true, especially the engine



But all in all, I will wait for some of our resident Insiders to weigh in before I get too excited

 

[vb22]

When looking back at past stories; MT seems to have the inside scoop ahead of time. I think they're also one of the more reliable sources out there, but auto only is kind of a boner killer.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

Right motor, but wrong tranny.

 

[Guff]

How can you have a 4 speed automatic AND a CVT in the same car?

It's actually a very clever system! I definitely recommend reading on it. The CVT allows for gears 1, 2, & 3 to be split into 3 ratios each, thus creating a 10 ratio transmission with 4th gear being a dedicated final overdrive.

It remains to be seen if this system makes is way into a Supra though.

 

[Haros]

415HP/442TQ for an entry level Supra would be nice. Not a 2JZ capable engine that we know of yet but would be cool if Toyota included some nice internals upgrades for the Supra successor engine capable to manage lots of power on stock internals reliably with a few mods and tune.

No way man. A bone stock 2JZ is completely outclassed these days. Doesn't even compare to a modern motor.

 

[Haros]

It's actually a very clever system! I definitely recommend reading on it. The CVT allows for gears 1, 2, & 3 to be split into 3 ratios each, thus creating a 10 ratio transmission with 4th gear being a dedicated final overdrive.

It remains to be seen if this system makes is way into a Supra though.

Hard pass I'd true!
CVT is actually just one giant infinite gear ratio with artificial "gear" points which just hold the RPM at certain power band points to create the illusion of gear shifts. In fact this very thing makes it a lesser transmission then allowing it to work smoothly.

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