👣 Official: Toyota Announces Manual Transmission Supra!

[XtremeMaC]

http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/news/2021-toyota-supra-engine-and-a91/

I've read this BS before. If they've already spent the R&D to test and develop and perhaps some tooling, what's the big deal? So what if Porsche and BMW are selling less M/T. They clearly see a reason for it for the purist and release it. Vette buyers and Supra buyers are clearly not in the same boat and it's not just about 0 to 60 times. Whole point of M/T is being in more control and more connected to the car. Why do they have M/T for 86??? ZF was available back then and would have been much better than slow-ass Aisin A/T.. Also, the reference vehicle was Porsche Cayman which has M/T!!

Make your deal with whatever supplier for a low quantity. Have them put like 1 molds/tools with minimal take on shared resources and release it as an option already. 10% of keyboard warriors will buy it, you'll get the credit.

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[A70TTR]

(severely broken record playing)

 

[justbake]

They won't introduce the manual until they need to revitalize sales. Just like the car having the B58C never being about "balance," it was to later introduce a more powerful model to keep a continuous stream of buyers.

 

[Bryster]

Imagine the reaction if Toyota offered a Manual Supra..... with another engine change

 

[PerformanceSound]

http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/news/2021-toyota-supra-engine-and-a91/

I would like to believe it is related to "multi-million dollar budgets"...however, considering several BMW manual transmissions were used in the development stages of the car, and the already “in-production” manuals BMW has to supply....I am a bit skeptical on Tada San’s answers in regards to the manual. The one thing I was told previously (and not sure if I mentioned this before) the manual transmissions tested varied slightly for the A90 vs the BMW counterpart because they had a much “beefier and heavier” center case section. I'm curious if this is what Tada is talking about it throwing the cars balance off. If another 100-120lbs would throw the A90's balance off then they have bigger problems to address.

This is playing out exactly like what my source told me....Toyota is milking the A90 and trying to get it in everyone's hands....one change at a time . If anyone is interested in picking up a MKV, and your not in a hurry....seriously just wait until 2022. You have nothing to lose.

 

[jm6k]

I would like to believe it is related to "multi-million dollar budgets"...however, considering several BMW manual transmissions were used in the development stages of the car, and the already “in-production” manuals BMW has to supply....I am a bit skeptical on Tada San’s answers in regards to the manual. The one thing I was told previously (and not sure if I mentioned this before) the manual transmissions tested varied slightly for the A90 vs the BMW counterpart because they had a much “beefier and heavier” center case section. I'm curious if this is what Tada is talking about it throwing the cars balance off. If another 100-120lbs would throw the A90's balance off then they have bigger problems to address.

This is playing out exactly like what my source told me....Toyota is milking the A90 and trying to get it in everyone's hands....one change at a time . If anyone is interested in picking up a MKV, and your not in a hurry....seriously just wait until 2022. You have nothing to lose.

I asked you in another thread, but you may have not seen it. Is this 2022 deal for people who will spend $85k for a GRMN, or is this a general change for the car?

 

[Supra Man]

noooooooooo! my 2 hopes for the supra just got shot down by Mr Tada?! manual and targa top...

 

[PerformanceSound]

I asked you in another thread, but you may have not seen it. Is this 2022 deal for people who will spend $85k for a GRMN, or is this a general change for the car?

Unfortunately, I don't know details on pricing or naming/marketing. If I am not mistaken, the GRMN naming schema was never intended for US market...maybe a "30yr Anniv." edition released in 2022 as a 2023 model??? I would be shocked if the cars price tag got that high for a manual version....afterall, Toyota collaborated with BMW to drive costs down not up. They know very well the competition out there in the $80k+ range. There are more "suits" they need to impress before they get the green light to spend more on new features.

Along with a manual, I suspect heavier duty components (i.e., beefier diff and axles (solid not hollow), cast iron center case, 6 piston calipers, etc...). $85k??? That's a stretch...maybe those first in line. Again, I'm only relaying info here...

 

[Bryster]

Unfortunately, I don't know details on pricing or naming/marketing. If I am not mistaken, the GRMN naming schema was never intended for US market...maybe a "30yr Anniv." edition released in 2022 as a 2023 model??? I would be shocked if the cars price tag got that high for a manual version....afterall, Toyota collaborated with BMW to drive costs down not up. They know very well the competition out there in the $80k+ range. There are more "suits" they need to impress before they get the green light to spend more on new features.

Along with a manual, I suspect heavier duty components (i.e., beefier diff and axles (solid not hollow), cast iron center case, 6 piston calipers, etc...). $85k??? That's a stretch...maybe those first in line. Again, I'm only relaying info here...

Any chance of an IDrive7 Supra?

 

[PerformanceSound]

Any chance of an IDrive7 Supra?

Lol...

 

[jm6k]

Unfortunately, I don't know details on pricing or naming/marketing. If I am not mistaken, the GRMN naming schema was never intended for US market...maybe a "30yr Anniv." edition released in 2022 as a 2023 model??? I would be shocked if the cars price tag got that high for a manual version....afterall, Toyota collaborated with BMW to drive costs down not up. They know very well the competition out there in the $80k+ range. There are more "suits" they need to impress before they get the green light to spend more on new features.

Along with a manual, I suspect heavier duty components (i.e., beefier diff and axles (solid not hollow), cast iron center case, 6 piston calipers, etc...). $85k??? That's a stretch...maybe those first in line. Again, I'm only relaying info here...

Sounds to me like GRMN will be a thing, but who knows. Just curious if you were speaking of a special edition or just the standard car, or a slightly higher trim getting these upgrades. Interesting info.

Any chance of an IDrive7 Supra?

I hate this forum.

 

[A70TTR]

GR in general wasn't intended for the US market, but that changed and is about to become much more pronounced.

 

[tfoxyr]

I hate this forum.

he mostly spams with random stuff,probably a kid? but he is the exception.

About your question nothing is certain about a manual but the grmn car will probably focus on performance so if this is true it would be odd to have a manual in that car, but generally speaking a manual has slim chances to appear.

 

[Supra Guy]

noooooooooo! my 2 hopes for the supra just got shot down by Mr Tada?! manual and targa top...

I’d be pissed if Toyota offered a targa too just after I bought one.

 

[KahnBB6]

It's just rather amazing to me that an enthusiast transmission choice (3 pedal manual) in a two seater front engine rear drive iconic Japanese turbo sports car model has been resisted by Toyota and BMW this much.

Toyota already sells a popular low powered 86 sportscar that proves Toyota buyers DO like manual sportscars. They're also poised to soon sell Corolla and C-HR turbo AWD 6-speed manual performance models which will also prove the same.

Only the off-in-the-distance likely electrified MR2 project would be pretty much expected to be non-manual in any form at all just due to how both its platform and powertrain will likely be designed from the ground up.

It's just a transmission that many diehards want in a halo sportscar that will never again (post-A90) be made in a configuration that will even support a traditional manual.

Manual Supra prototypes have been tested, a super limited production Z4 4cyl manual exists in Germany (supposedly?) and a Texas modification shop has already gone a long way to proving that one parts bin BMW 6-speed manual gearbox is more than up to the task of bolting to the B58 block.

Ugh... they could just build the damn thing and tack on the additional price to the standard Supra 8AT's MSRP if necessary for the bean counters to approve it.

The exclusive GRMN Supra will sell. A manual Supra will sell.

Give it enough years and we'll have to consider a totally different "A100" Supra anyway which certainly won't be capable of a manual transmission option by then.

But the A90 is manual *capable*, MKIV Supras are now quite old collector cars with parts shortages, the Supra nameplate was out of production for nearly twenty years which has left a lot of pent-up demand, vintage Getrag V160 transmissions are both extremely expensive and now very difficult to service... and still... not everyone just wanting a brand new Toyota Supra cares that the excellent ZF8 can shift faster than they can when they just want to do it themselves.

I've said this before: it's not like people interested in a manual transmission are asking for it on a Toyota Camry. They're asking for it on a Toyota Supra.

So frustrating.

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