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Discussion in 'General Supra Topics' started by JT, May 12, 2019.
Him and “it’s SHMEE,” that guy. Lol
Yeah, I don't plan on watching any more of his vids. I don't watch Kilmer, and I really only watched demuros vid to see what, if anything, he said different.
Edit: with all the people driving on VA roafs, did amyone get pulled over?
And how high is the side sill compared to the 86? Like, the bottom of the door.
So, for the people who were not at the event, what did Tada-san say about the fake vents, aftermarket parts and DCT vs Auto?
iirc someone already posted part of Tada-san’s presentation.
In short, most of vents are close because it’s not necessary for stock. But for motorsports if you need vents for brake, engine or anything, can take those fake vents to make it functional vents (with custom work). It’s harder to add vents in some race, due to regulation. Even closed vents, they’re used as a canard (ex front fake vents) & it have been tested to make both real & fake vents functionality.
As for AT vs DCT, cost & weight.
Edit: I get that those vents aren’t pretty. I’ll agree with you or anyone who thinks ugly & visually not looking good. But he have prove his statement even in 86. I think, I stated this. 86/BRZ front fender fake vents are actually functional, if you cut em out and make custom vents out of em. It have reduce engine bay temperature. Does it need in stock car? Sometimes I feel like that, but reality is, no. For owner who have modded their car, they def need them to reduce to heat under the hood.
Doug was one of the very few people whom wasn't paid to perform a presentation on the new MKV - some of his comments were cringey but I wouldn't discard a lot of what his said (eg. no manual, low power, entire car being assembled at BMW, BMW interior etc).
One other thing that really struck a cord was when Tada was being interviews he emphasizes that the "hood has two release points... they kept this design as per the original MKIV design" - he went on talking about that for quite a while. I mean seriously what the actual f***? I don't think a single person in this world cares about the hood release points being 1, 2, 5 or 20... I think more people would have wanted a manual then two hood release points. If a hood release is all you've gathered from the previous generation Supra then there's something definitely wrong.
The interior is down right shit, I am referencing the door cards, boot, rear speakers, tweeters. It almost looks like everything that isn't part of 'BMW' has been rushed to finish this car in time for a specific date.
In saying that I am not even disappointed with the new MKV because I knew from the get-go that this car was not going to be what enthusiasts wanted & that the focus has been shifted to a new market with good reason. This car is not a Supra and should have never been named that from the get-go - it's a shame it's been labelled that and I don't think that this will be a very similar 'success' story to the Toyota 86 - plenty of hype in the short term, it wont go down as a legend in the long term.
lol. Immediately he said they made a mistake with the interior of the door panel I could tell he was not paying attention at the event. because that was a piece of information everyone knew from Detroit auto show.
Except it might. considering the route all automakers are going. Also you know the same way everyone talks about what year mkiv to get, vvti and all that, the legendary mkv might not be the 2020 MY it could show up during the mid-cycle refresh. there a lot that could change in the refresh version, (different head, turbo set up, maybe the b58 might be the first BMW engine to incorporate the D4-S system,) so this car right now that we are all judging (like you said, some things makes it feel rushed) is just the first step.
Top gear review
For the millionth time it's not built at fucking bmw. It's built in Austria. Third party plant that makes everything from range rovers to Aston martins to bmw to Mercedes.
It uses parts from the bmw catalogue, that's it.
Yeah that's 100% BS. Doug was invited and flown out like EVERY SINGLE PERSON THERE. Nobody was "paid". This is how these manufacturer events work, and how they've always worked, for every manufacturer.
Doug's review showed that he clearly wasn't paying attention and clearly didn't give enough of a shit to ask any real questions. Tada San answered every single thing I asked him, including all the most technical stuff, exactly what they thought the Supra legacy was, specifics about the partnership, etc. Doug focused on hood latches and strut braces for some reason.
Doug's review is honestly one of the worst ones imo, and I hate to say that, but he seriously seems like he's being obtuse just to satisfy a negative outlook. Usually I don't mind his videos, but this was lazy at best, malicious at worst.
I think he’s okay most of the time, I feel he usually delivers a fairly mature video in the sense he is mostly objective. As of this video, however, it sees he wants to ride the wave of negativity that has come with the car.
So much hate! Stay cool and always keep the good vibes. The Supra is just coming out and don’t say it’s already a failure. Drive one first
Some points on Doug’s review. I agree that he wasn’t listening. He doesn’t even know that there were slight changes in the Supra’s old and new font. He never mentioned about reasons why Toyota made this (8speed vs DCT, leaving intentional places for aftermarket tuners) was to keep the COST DOWN. A Porsche Cayman fighter (at par or better) with almost 20 grand difference is a no brainer (stock). The A80 Supra’s legend was not cemented due to its stock form BUT when aftermarket and tuners started to tinker with it. Let’s give the A90 more time and i’m sure we will all be surprised (positively) like almost ALL vlog and editorial reviews SO FAR.
And for all that marketing talk on the 86 they could have punched the cutout in the fender for free. They already knocked out 6 holes in fender for the garnish clips it would have cost them nothing to punch out an extra hole behind the vent. I'm guessing this car is exactly the same.
Personally I like Doug's reviews. Every other reviewer they gush over every car like its the second coming of Jesus or the I buy a new exotic car every week videos. Maybe its the engineer in me, but I like seeing all the warts and oddities in cars vs the polished please don't stop buying advertising from us R&Ts and C&Ds of the world