All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

[digicidal]

My biggest problem (as was with all Nissan/Infiniti models I've owned) would definitely be the seats. Bad to the point where if my back was hurting I couldn't really drive it... and if it wasn't, it would be after anything longer than a 30 minute drive. Even the "premium" seats in the G37S were pretty bad, though far better than the ones in the Z's.

I do love what they've shown as far as user configurable gauges on the main cluster screen... and I'd kill to be able to have that in the MKV. Any car under Porsche money is going to have sacrifices in interior quality however... and the MKV suffers there as well (though far nicer than a Nissan interior).

I guess the one advantage if you're looking for a track slut... I wouldn't feel nearly as bad ripping the entire interior out of a Z. The problem is that's just the start and all the additional parts required are soon going to cost as much if not more as just going with a pricier car to begin with. That's an endless cycle however until you're up to Mclaren territory IMO.

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[JoeDaMechanic]

I'd heard (and read a little on the Z forums) that the manual from the 370 isn't great for daily driving, but I thought there was something about them using a different clutch this time?

The clutch wasn't the problem. The engagement point of the clutch was very much like a button, it was almost on/off and that was difficult for some people to drive. To the point that a company made an aftermarket kit to extend the window between engaged/disengaged. (It also made it much more of a pita to bleed the clutch). They also had issues with the CSC failing.

Yeah it's big money to make the Vr30ddtt have big Boi power. Was checking charts on their forum a couple weeks ago.
5-10k in mods and work (if you aren't doing it yourself which is many many people.) Doesn't get you what you'd think for the money. The B58 continues to prove a worthy choice for Toyota.
Here's their thread:
https://www.infinitiq50.org/threads/official-dyno-results-thread.124379/

Makes sense, the VR30 is a PITA to work on in the Q's. It'll be just as big of a pain if not more to work on in the Z34 chassis. Changing turbos on that car will probably require you to drop the motor.
Secondly, there are big power Z34s out there with manuals. There's nothing to be afraid of from their quarter mile times for a Supra with just a baby turbo.

In my 370Z, GTM twin turbo with all the supporting mods, did the work myself... it still was a good 15k in parts but at the end of the day it was a 500+hp rwd Z. It was a blast, but it took a lot of money and effort to get there. For the Supra, I put it on jack stands and changed the downpipe, and was at the same power. I took it to the track and obliterated my Z's quarter mile time. That's progress, the new Z will be a fun car though but I do think they're being over hyped and some people will be in for some disappointment.

 

[suicidaleggroll]

Objectively, I can’t see the Z packing enough power with their open deck block.

Lmao, I had no idea. I just watched a tear down of a VR30DDTT and you’re right, it’s not even semi-closed, that bitch is wide open. I wouldn’t feel comfortable making any more than 500whp on that block, what was Nissan thinking?

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Lmao, I had no idea. I just watched a tear down of a VR30DDTT and you’re right, it’s not even semi-closed, that bitch is wide open. I wouldn’t feel comfortable making any more than 500whp on that block, what was Nissan thinking?

Cost cutting lol.

 

[johnny_10196]

So as far as the interior goes the majority of those that sat inside the Z at New York did say it felt nice. Granted, it was the performance model and not to mention a pre-production car. We'll see if Nissan does the same bait and switch like GM with the C8.

 

[supraboi]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/serian-blue-nissan-z-spotted-in-the-wild.479/

 

[vb22]

The CSC issue has been addressed. Dan Passe also said in one of those interviews that it was one of the parts that the engineers looked at.

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/external-csc.466/

 

[Sub-MkV]

I've owned 2 Mazda RX-8's which are essentially the same thing. I get the cheaper thing. I'm just talking generally speaking, which the sales figures agree with. The 2.0 (in the U.S.) is waaaay too niche of a market because the cheaper purchase price is literally it's only advantage. In places where road taxes and huge fuel prices are a thing, the 2.0 makes much more sense, in general.

The problem is the 2.0 is more like a FD RX7 because your RX8 was rather torque less and have similar performance to a 86/BRZ. If the RX8 had 295 lb ft of torque it would've been even better. The 2.0 makes sense everywhere. If it were N/A with a torque less motor I would completely agree with you that it makes no sense here.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

Nope, none of that near me. The most expensive MKV within a few hundred miles is a hair over 56k. That’s all moot though, you can’t use the jacked up prices in the middle of a supply crunch the likes of which the world has never seen before for one car, and MSRP for the other. Since the Z isn’t out yet, the only fair comparison is MSRP vs MSRP, which for a base model 3.0 Supra is 51k.

If that were a completely unrealistic price for the Supra then I could understand adjusting it, but it’s not. I just bought my 2021 premium new for $50k 5 months ago, and there was a base 3.0 on the lot in the high 40s. That wasn’t some special discounted or haggled down price either, that’s literally what the dealership was advertising on their website in both cases.

There were mark ups on this car way before Covid hit. Agree, it's always best to use MSRP as a base line.

That's great that you were able to find a deal, but not everyone around the country is as lucky as you. We have people in states like CA paying close to $50k for the 4 banger... ??

I'll just circle back to my original point. There will always be stealerships that will place a markup on the newest and hottest models when they first roll out. Just wait it out if you don't have to have it ASAP.

 

[Sub-MkV]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/serian-blue-nissan-z-spotted-in-the-wild.479/

These are the angles I like of the Z. It's just the front dead on that pisses me off

 

[Dannyvandelft]

The problem is the 2.0 is more like a FD RX7 because your RX8 was rather torque less and have similar performance to a 86/BRZ. If the RX8 had 295 lb ft of torque it would've been even better. The 2.0 makes sense everywhere. If it were N/A with a torque less motor I would completely agree with you that it makes no sense here.

That's what I meant. The RX-8 is the same as the BRZ/GT86/FR-S. I didn't mean the same as the 2.0 Supra.

 

[supraboi]

These are the angles I like of the Z. It's just the front dead on that pisses me off

A lot of people said it looks better in person like with the Supra. I'm going to hold off on making a judgement until I have the chance to see one in person.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

Part of me wants to explain to these manual lovers that it’s time to ditch the pop up headlights and come into the new era of sport car technology..

but part of me wishes that everyone that buys a Nissan Z gets the 6 speed. Much easier to beat on the street

Hey, popup headlights are sexy AF!

There is no explaining it. Like talking to a retarded wall.
Next they'll be wanting drum brakes, cassette decks, wind up windows, no air-conditioning, because in the 80's cars were just better ?

Look, some people just like rowing their gears and feeling more connected to the car even if that means a slower 0-60 and 1/4 mile time. I don't think there is a wrong or right choice. It's just what you as a driver prefer. I think it's great that many here are enjoying the ZF8 in their cars. At the same time what's wrong with Nissan offering people choices?

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Hey, popup headlights are sexy AF!



Look, some people just like rowing their gears and feeling more connected to the car even if that means a slower 0-60 and 1/4 mile time. I don't think there is a wrong or right choice. It's just what you as a driver prefer. I think it's great that many here are enjoying the ZF8 in their cars. At the same time what's wrong with Nissan offering people choices?

Nothing wrong with it at all. The whole "more connected" thing is a bunch of BS though. There's absolutely no difference between pulling a paddle to upshift, or move your hand a few inches and do it with a lever instead, which you can do in the Supra too, if you MUST have a phallic object in your hand while driving ?
But seriously, I get it, it adds a degree of skill to driving properly, and that's all good and well, but when I buy/lease a car, I want the best version of it. And that's all preference. A stick, to me, belongs in a car that won't go anywhere in a hurry. Like the GR86, Or a Civic SI, base Cayman/Boxster, or the Z lol. The top of the company's performance car, should have a paddle shift, like the Supra, GT-R, NSX, GT2 RS, C8 and so on. You buy a performance vehicle, it should have performance parts.

 

[PerformanceSound]

Where do you keep getting $60k? I've never seen a MKV listed for that. Fully decked out premiums are $56k tops, when I got mine they were all going for $50k. The last couple of months they might have started going for more due to shortages, but that's not the "normal" price, and it will either be cleared up before the Z hits the lots or they'll both have an added price hike due to shortage. And that's the premium, the base model is even less. I'm pretty sure when I got my car a few months ago, there was a brand new 2021 base model 3.0 on the lot for $47k.

My brother paid $63k out the door for his 2021 Premium. I was there when he was buying it.

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