New (Unconfirmed) Details and Specifications of US-Spec MKV Supra:

Would you consider a single trim, 350hp, 3300lbs/1500kg luxury A90 Supra at $60k+?


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So the lower COG than 86 is with the carbon roof, without, or both?




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One other thing that has to be confirmed: vertical (Toyota) or slanted (BMW) I6 placement?

I prefer vertical. Hood line is anyway not as low as Honda S2000.
 

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enough room for a big single turbo, that we know :p
 

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Asked about the composite roof, and apparently that has been reserved for something above the base car... The reason I asked was Tada said in an interview that the car was composed of only steel and aluminum which runs contrary to something he told me in the past.

So either the carbon top couldn't meet safety regs or it's going to be on the higher trim like the RC-F carbon package.
Thats what would I like to know, what are the different trims, what ia in each, and when are they available, for ex. Intially just a basic trim, lower hp, non cf roof...
 

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Is the new Supra supposed to be in the level on a GTR??


"Heaving aside the street drag race credits, if you really boil it down to stock vs stock, the two cars are very different in approach and focus this time.

The GT-R is a heavy-weight monster with big power, meats of tires, and sophisticated electronics to govern all that in mad science art, and that is how it gets a big car hauled around a race course with speed. It depends on the digital as well as raw abundance of grip and power.

The new A90 is the sort of the car where simplicity, and lack of weight, and with just rear wheels driven is the accolade and virtue. The expense is in the honing of details and use of advanced materials to reduce weights and refine the mechanical analog part of the car.
Produces the same lap time, with more efficiency and less consumables taken, and with more freedom for the drivers to choose lines and apexes.
One could say that the A90 is leaning more european in approach, while the GTR is more American, optimized for what performance car buyers tend to see in cars? Maybe.

There is only really preference."

Toyota is also testing at the Toyota's Hokkaido Shibetsu Test Area to keep the final A90 away from the public.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/T...a3189fab22f5ec!8m2!3d44.1855673!4d142.2187216

Although light and 350 hp seems fast, it is fast .... In today's world Really Fast European cars are Mclaren, Ferrari, Jaguar, PORSCHE or any VW variable IN BETWEEN 500hp and or over.

A Focus RS, TT RS, will destroy a 350 Supra Anytime
Lets not get started...This is 2020 we're talking???

ruff, ruff:bump: MIATA MIATA MIATA:bump:

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Although light and 350 hp seems fast, it is fast .... In today's world Really Fast European cars are Mclaren, Ferrari, Jaguar, PORSCHE or any VW variable IN BETWEEN 500hp and or over.

A Focus RS, TT RS, will destroy a 350 Supra Anytime
the -3450lb- Focus RS does 0-60 in 4.6s and 13.4 for the 1/4mile, this will not "destroy" the supra in any possible comparison. the RS needs at least 400HP to have same perf/lbs ratio.

TT RS (3277lbs) is more inline with 3.4/11.9 respectively. albeit being 150lbs heavier AND lacking in torque (354lbs vs rumored 390lbs for the A90).

finally...... McLaren...Ferrari? wtf?
 

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You sure never driven a 4WD rallie car

The focus based on a rear traction will destroy a the BASE 350hp supra any time on a track
 

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You sure never driven a 4WD rallie car

The focus based on a rear traction will destroy a the BASE 350hp supra any time on a track
^_^.....have had a Silver '11 EVO X MR since it was new, 110k kms on the odo now....all sorts of mods to make it killer AutoX machine.
 

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^_^.....have had a Silver '11 EVO X MR since it was new, 110k kms on the odo now....all sorts of mods to make it killer AutoX machine.
Let the newcomer dream and believe the RS is a better or more fun car cause specs apparently is the final answer on a car.

Just like people saying why get miata/86 when I get a mustang with so and so hp for same price?

The purpose of the car went over their heads.
 

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the -3450lb- Focus RS does 0-60 in 4.6s and 13.4 for the 1/4mile, this will not "destroy" the supra in any possible comparison. the RS needs at least 400HP to have same perf/lbs ratio.

TT RS (3277lbs) is more inline with 3.4/11.9 respectively. albeit being 150lbs heavier AND lacking in torque (354lbs vs rumored 390lbs for the A90).

finally...... McLaren...Ferrari? wtf?

McLaren...Ferrari? wtf?

:thumbsup: Race Track: Time will prove how a 350 supra will get smashed by any Amg A class, Focus RS, TT RS, next WRX STI...
 

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Let the newcomer dream and believe the RS is a better or more fun car cause specs apparently is the final answer on a car.

Just like people saying why get miata/86 when I get a mustang with so and so hp for same price?

The purpose of the car went over their heads.
It's actually an old tale. In 1986 a Ford Mustang 5.0 (4.9L V8, 200 hp, 265 ft-lb, 3000 lb) MSRP was about the same or less than an AE86 Corolla GT-S (1.6L L4, 112hp, 97 ft-lb, 2350 lb).

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McLaren...Ferrari? wtf?

:thumbsup: Race Track: Time will prove how a 350 supra will get smashed by any Amg A class, Focus RS, TT RS, next WRX STI...
Btw the new supra reportedly did a 7:40 ring time. Might wanna check the times of those other cars listed...
 

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Let the newcomer dream and believe the RS is a better or more fun car cause specs apparently is the final answer on a car.

Just like people saying why get miata/86 when I get a mustang with so and so hp for same price?

The purpose of the car went over their heads.
Yes, I spoke about Fun :lol:MIATA MIATA

NewComer ? Respect your eldery! Only if the GR comes (ejaculates), which I suspect it will come at some point with M power

Muscle cars today are much different .... They are sport cars today, you'll be surprised on how a 350R or camaro lt1 1le will smash a an M4, Porche lesser than a Turbo S, ...
 

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Since this is the North American specs thread, I guess this is as good a place as any for this.

Specs which matter, roughly in order:

Curb weight stock - Even the high estimate (3300) is lower than my MKIV (3450 on a truck scale). If there's a trim at 3100, I'm interested

Chassis stiffness stock - Talk that it will be as stiff as the LFA is awesome. The MKIV is a wet noodle, even with the targa bolted down

CG height - Be lower than the MKIV, and at least in range of the C7 or Cayman

HP/TQ at BPU (tune plus bolt ons) - High 400s at the wheels would make things interesting, and might keep me from pulling the trigger on a Z06

HP/TQ on stock block with single turbo and fuel - In today's performance car world, 750+ is what you need to stay in the game

Mid-corner speed in Turn 1 at Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen Turn 11 on r-comps - The most critical turns at my two favorite tracks. Mid-corner speed in a fast turn tells you a lot more than lap times or skidpad Gs. Somehow I don't think they'll let me do that on the test drive...

Out the door price on a reasonably equipped performance model - The US market has a price nice gap between Nismo 370Z and Corvette Z51 where it sounds like this may land

Bad ass launch control - My buddy's RS3 launches as hard as any stock street car I've ever been in, and it's fat (3500+ pounds, before adding two adult males) and "only" goes 3.9 0-60. With the right software, even stock the A90 should have an insane launch.

Torque vectoring diff - Please please please. The MKIV gave us the at the time state-of-the-art Torsen. Up the ante

Magnetic ride control - The only thing more magic are spool valve shocks, and we're not getting those on anything short of a full GRMN

Loads of GR aftermarket parts - Overnight them from Europe, Japan or wherever. I'm not interested in whatever Pep Boys relabels TRD USA festoons the dealerships with. I also think that for those of us in the U.S. of A. that Gazoo badging the A90 is going to be a common cosmetic mod. It's a really nice logo, especially on a white car

Interior - Please differentiate this from the BMW. While they've been good quality and functional, all of my German cars have lacked any sort of emotion in the interior. Even the Audi R8 underwhelms for what it is. One glimmer of hope is that the R8/Gallardo/Huracan is transformed in Lamborghini's hands, so let's hope that Toyota can impact the interior design as much as they have the exterior.

No BMW spyware - Seriously, it's car not my f-ing smartphone. I'll have to roll the MKIV when I need to sneak out for the night, I guess.


What doesn't matter:

Fake vents - I hate that door gash and will replace it with an aftermarket panel ASAP even if I have to 3D print it myself

Stock HP/TQ - First tuner with an ECU flash to go over 400/400 has my money

Steering wheel - Momo Race goes on, and the stock one goes in a box. The MKIV wheel was ugly also and everyone knows it. Not a big deal

Clutch pedal - Every performance car or track car/race car (around 20) I've ever owned has been a manual. The ZF8 is good enough to change that. Also, see "launch control" above

Targa top - I love a targa top in the summer, but the impact on chassis stiffness is often severe. There's a reason why hardtop MKIVs command a price premium


Hopefully we'll know about all of that in the next six months.
 

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Btw the new supra reportedly did a 7:40 ring time. Might wanna check the times of those other cars listed...
Can you link to have a look, appreciated
 

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