D3ad_Hand
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Before I start most of these topics Ill be mentioning are purely my opinion.
1. The supra should've came with an S58
2. It should have never ever been a z4 chassis. More like an M2
3. The supra is a better BMW. However, BMW is blackballing Toyota
4. The reason why Toyota didn't make their own engine (Theorizing)
5. Unrealistic thoughts
1. This is purely my opinion, but the supra power train should have been a S58 which is a beefier B58. Yes I know that our platform is more than capable, yes the single turbo is more fun, yes you can reach a 1000HP on a built engine, yes the 100 missing hp can literally be fixed with a few mods that don't even cost that much. However, the supra should have came with that 503hp S58 it just makes more sense to me to have the beefiest and one of the best straight 6 engines in the world in a supra (I'm aware the B58 is up there with that S58), its one of the better ways to succeed and live up to its predecessor the Mk4. P.S it just sounds better
2. I really don't get why Toyota agreed with the z4 chassis. It always should have been that M2. I don't wanna sit and compare most of you here probably know wassup.
3. Now when the supra launched we all know it was the 335 hp and nobody liked that. Then it was bumped up to 382 hp. The supra is definitely an over achieving straight 6. The M240i xDrive, and the M340i where such cars blessed with this engine. the M240i and the M340i weigh about the same but the M240i has all wheel drive giving it the advantage in a quarter mile, they still are pretty close though. M240i 12.1 Seconds, M340i 12.3. However what I don't get is why the supra lands in the middle at 12.2 Seconds. They do have the same 382 hp and the same zf transmission, but BUT it has shorter gears than the BMW's. The supra has a 3.15 rear axle, the BMW's have 2.81 so the supra has faster acceleration, and this is before accounting for the big question mark which is that the supra weighs 480 POUNDS LESS. In no world do both BMW's keep up with that supra it makes 0 sense. Now this is just speculating, but I think that BMW is blackballing Toyota on a few things. That's also probably why the supra does not come with the S58.
4. The old supra's up the Mk3 were meh tbh. Even though the Mk3 introduced the 1jz and the Mk4 introduced the 2jz, they were pretty unsuccessful. The Mk2 pulled off the most sales with 114,459 units sold. The Mk3 almost matched it with 108,565. The Mk4 however, did not do so well 12,059. Now you might be wondering how such a loved car today did not do so well. As I mentioned before the campaign up until the Mk3 was pretty much meh the Mk3 did hit it on the nose with the turbo being introduced, but back then these cars were not so popular as they are today. They only gained notoriety over time especially with the Fast and Furious series being one of the sole reasons why it launched into stardom after it stopped being produced. Income the next chapter the LFA. One of the most under appreciated cars produced by Lexus I.E Toyota. However it failed miserably even though it was the perfect icing on the cake. naturally aspirated 4.8-litre V10 engine with a flat crank giving you an amazing sound. 10 years in development went down the drain when the campaign failed, and just as before it only gained notoriety after it failed and production stopped. So as you can see Toyota's profile with sports car is not looking so hot. That's probably the reason why Toyota partnered with BMW is to play it safe and not waste millions on developing a new engine, and on the positive side of things BMW produces one of the best preforming straight six engines in the world today, so it wasn't as bad of a deal for Toyota.
5. I'm just gonna start this off by saying the supra should have multiple trims rather than 2 make it 4. The current 2 standing one's The B58 ,B48 and then provide the S58 engine as an option. Finally have that sweet sweet F90. I just cant imagine how fun it would be to have a Twin Turbo V8 in that supra. Yes it doesn't make sense to have a V8 in a supra, but I'm just having fun with this one.
P.S I know the current supra is less of a cash grab or a profit maker and more of a passion project giving the people what they want. I'm not hating on the supra these are just my thoughts and opinions. I own one myself and I love everything about it.
1. The supra should've came with an S58
2. It should have never ever been a z4 chassis. More like an M2
3. The supra is a better BMW. However, BMW is blackballing Toyota
4. The reason why Toyota didn't make their own engine (Theorizing)
5. Unrealistic thoughts
1. This is purely my opinion, but the supra power train should have been a S58 which is a beefier B58. Yes I know that our platform is more than capable, yes the single turbo is more fun, yes you can reach a 1000HP on a built engine, yes the 100 missing hp can literally be fixed with a few mods that don't even cost that much. However, the supra should have came with that 503hp S58 it just makes more sense to me to have the beefiest and one of the best straight 6 engines in the world in a supra (I'm aware the B58 is up there with that S58), its one of the better ways to succeed and live up to its predecessor the Mk4. P.S it just sounds better
2. I really don't get why Toyota agreed with the z4 chassis. It always should have been that M2. I don't wanna sit and compare most of you here probably know wassup.
3. Now when the supra launched we all know it was the 335 hp and nobody liked that. Then it was bumped up to 382 hp. The supra is definitely an over achieving straight 6. The M240i xDrive, and the M340i where such cars blessed with this engine. the M240i and the M340i weigh about the same but the M240i has all wheel drive giving it the advantage in a quarter mile, they still are pretty close though. M240i 12.1 Seconds, M340i 12.3. However what I don't get is why the supra lands in the middle at 12.2 Seconds. They do have the same 382 hp and the same zf transmission, but BUT it has shorter gears than the BMW's. The supra has a 3.15 rear axle, the BMW's have 2.81 so the supra has faster acceleration, and this is before accounting for the big question mark which is that the supra weighs 480 POUNDS LESS. In no world do both BMW's keep up with that supra it makes 0 sense. Now this is just speculating, but I think that BMW is blackballing Toyota on a few things. That's also probably why the supra does not come with the S58.
4. The old supra's up the Mk3 were meh tbh. Even though the Mk3 introduced the 1jz and the Mk4 introduced the 2jz, they were pretty unsuccessful. The Mk2 pulled off the most sales with 114,459 units sold. The Mk3 almost matched it with 108,565. The Mk4 however, did not do so well 12,059. Now you might be wondering how such a loved car today did not do so well. As I mentioned before the campaign up until the Mk3 was pretty much meh the Mk3 did hit it on the nose with the turbo being introduced, but back then these cars were not so popular as they are today. They only gained notoriety over time especially with the Fast and Furious series being one of the sole reasons why it launched into stardom after it stopped being produced. Income the next chapter the LFA. One of the most under appreciated cars produced by Lexus I.E Toyota. However it failed miserably even though it was the perfect icing on the cake. naturally aspirated 4.8-litre V10 engine with a flat crank giving you an amazing sound. 10 years in development went down the drain when the campaign failed, and just as before it only gained notoriety after it failed and production stopped. So as you can see Toyota's profile with sports car is not looking so hot. That's probably the reason why Toyota partnered with BMW is to play it safe and not waste millions on developing a new engine, and on the positive side of things BMW produces one of the best preforming straight six engines in the world today, so it wasn't as bad of a deal for Toyota.
5. I'm just gonna start this off by saying the supra should have multiple trims rather than 2 make it 4. The current 2 standing one's The B58 ,B48 and then provide the S58 engine as an option. Finally have that sweet sweet F90. I just cant imagine how fun it would be to have a Twin Turbo V8 in that supra. Yes it doesn't make sense to have a V8 in a supra, but I'm just having fun with this one.
P.S I know the current supra is less of a cash grab or a profit maker and more of a passion project giving the people what they want. I'm not hating on the supra these are just my thoughts and opinions. I own one myself and I love everything about it.
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