Toyota "Preparing" Hotter Supra GRMN, Says Chief Engineer

[BMWAF]

Somehow I don't see 100K toyota with an S58 going on sale during a recession. If the GRMN does come i'd expect the latest B58 TU2 with port injection, sticky tires and some suspension tuning with nice badges.

To me a targa seems more realistic based on the platform.

I think you are on the money.

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[F1 Silver Arrows]

What do you have......

 

[AHP]

A targa will never happen because there's no feasible way to store the top in the hatch.

As for the GRMN... I think it's either not going to happen in a meaningful way, or at best (worst?) it will be a small batch limited edition and therefore unobtanium.

 

[MA617M]

Tightening emissions standards and laws in EU will Govern what they can do with power/aero.

Hence I believe it will not be a hotter B58, probably an S58, but I doubt //M will give that up.

 

[RenRed2]

GRMN will never have an ///M motor. If they build anything it will be JDM only and less than 500 units, if even that many. Its the 2023 model year. They do not have much time and if built will be final model year. Also aesthetics will be as much emphasized as the minor power bump will be. So it will be as much 'show' as 'go'.

 

[StevesMK5]

GRMN will never have an ///M motor. If they build anything it will be JDM only and less than 500 units, if even that many. Its the 2023 model year. They do not have much time and if built will be final model year. Also aesthetics will be as much emphasized as the minor power bump will be. So it will be as much 'show' as 'go'.

I believe it is very much possible it could get a M engine. because the B58 is in the same engine family as the S58. the car already shares the same transmissions differentials as M cars. Manufacturing this would not be hard because its utilizing BMW supply chain. I'm pretty sure M car big brake kits and suspension would bolt up to this chassis. Has anyone tried this? It would have to be newer G80 m3-m4-m2 parts. also has anyone swapped a S58 into a A90 chassis. I'm intrigued. If most of this stuff bolts up could it be a coincidence of what's to come.

 

[KahnBB6]

I believe it is very much possible it could get a M engine. because the B58 is in the same engine family as the S58. the car already shares the same transmissions differentials as M cars. Manufacturing this would not be hard because its utilizing BMW supply chain. I'm pretty sure M car big brake kits and suspension would bolt up to this chassis. Has anyone tried this? It would have to be newer G80 m3-m4-m2 parts. also has anyone swapped a S58 into a A90 chassis. I'm intrigued. If most of this stuff bolts up could it be a coincidence of what's to come.

Also, Tetsuya Tada did cheekily ask in one of his public interviews a couple of years ago, "What would you think of the Supra with an S58 engine?"

The wording he used was very close to that. Of course he never mentioned it again.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Also, Tetsuya Tada did cheekily ask in one of his public interviews a couple of years ago, "What would you think of the Supra with an S58 engine?"

The wording he used was very close to that. Of course he never mentioned it again.

I believe the S58 wasn't out yet (perhaps maybe he knew of it when it was in development) and he meant the S55 no?

But I'd rather have the S58 11 times out of 10. The S55 is just... mid...

 

[GRMan]

Whether the power unit is a S55, S58 or just a tuned up B58, its (a spicier more hardcore Supra) coming

 

[KahnBB6]

I believe the S58 wasn't out yet (perhaps maybe he knew of it when it was in development) and he meant the S55 no?

But I'd rather have the S58 11 times out of 10. The S55 is just... mid...

No, the S58 was out in a BMW M or two by that point-- probably quite new then but already on sale. He referenced the S58 engine specifically in that interview but only with that cryptic question and from that point on wouldn't say any more about it.

Tada-san would certainly have insider knowledge of the BMW release timeline for the S58 engine even if he couldn't launch his sportscar with that engine.

It would be inconceivable that he hadn't done a test mule MKV with that engine in it by now and initially designed the chassis around both it and both variants of the B58.

As to how the inter-manufacturer politics of offering an S58 powered Supra in limited numbers works out...?

 

[PerformanceSound]

Imagine a re-worked head on the B58…..wouldn’t that be amazing?

 

[Bryster]

Imagine a re-worked head on the B58…..wouldn’t that be amazing?

Like head swap?

 

[Ryanthetemp]

Imagine a re-worked head on the B58…..wouldn’t that be amazing?

So basically an S58….

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

So basically an S58….

S58 has a completely different bore and stroke though.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

No, the S58 was out in a BMW M or two by that point-- probably quite new then but already on sale. He referenced the S58 engine specifically in that interview but only with that cryptic question and from that point on wouldn't say any more about it.

Tada-san would certainly have insider knowledge of the BMW release timeline for the S58 engine even if he couldn't launch his sportscar with that engine.

It would be inconceivable that he hadn't done a test mule MKV with that engine in it by now and initially designed the chassis around both it and both variants of the B58.

As to how the inter-manufacturer politics of offering an S58 powered Supra in limited numbers works out...?

Ah I see, you're referring to the X3 M and X4 M.

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