Toyota Teases GR Line Up: Supra MK6, Celica MK8, MR2 MK4, 86 MK3 and GR GT

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[Zboy]

It does read choppy and the language barrier probably didn't help but I'm hoping "near, near future" means it's just around the corner.

 

[johnny_10196]

 

[Matador]

The Emira wanted to be a supercar, but the performance leaves much to be desired, the engines' potentials aren't great (from what I know), and the car tries too hard to look like every other supercar

The 2GR is actually an amazing engine and has great tuning potential.

After following up in a Emira FB page and looking at specs for the Emira vs Supra, I've decided I'll wait for whatever is coming next from Toyota (or any other reliable manufacturer). I really like the looks of the Emira and I wish the next MR2 would look similar. But knowing Toyota, I seriously doubt it will look that good or have the specs that the Emira has. Does anybody really expect that the Celica or MR2 will be 400hp. I can only hope that they come out as GR brand and are much more a drivers car than what Toyota has offered in the past. But based on history, I have serious doubts.

a) It/They should comfortably be in the 350-400bhp ballpark.

b) it's almost as if you've ignored the last 5 sports cars Toyota has built?

I think you're going to be disappointed.

Think about this logically: Why would Toyota create a car that costs less than the outgoing Supra while having more power than it and also be better looking (Emira like). And if that's not enough, think about how marginal the hp increase between the MKIV and MKV was, after twenty odd years.

It's all just hopes and dreams.

While I expect that the MR2 would be under the Supra in hierarchy, it's more so that I expect the price point of the Supra to go up rather than actually getting a "cheap" MR2. I think I've said before that I expect a Celica to take the market position of the Yaris/Corolla and the MR2 to be around the cost of a Mk5 (if they come to market as separate models). The Supra WILL go up in price. How much entirely depends on what price the GR GT comes to market at.

side bar: looks are subjective. I don't think the FT-Se concept looks better than the Emira and that's most likely what an MR2 is going to look like.

It concerns me the new CEO is a finance guy, as I’m afraid they may cancel their plans. They definitely need to downsize their line up and trim variants.

This is likely the reason why GR was spun off as it's own brand and the whole restructuring of the lineup and motorsport divisions occurred. GR will continue to do what they are doing for the foreseeable future.

It has been suspected that mating two 2.0L G20E's together is how the 4.0L V8 in the GR GT was created.

My understanding is that this isn't the case.

 

[supraboi]

@Guff just released a new vid and it touches on some topics being discussed .

 

[KahnBB6]

Both of the above videos give some good insights but I love it that in this one we get to see a rare Group S 222D up close.

 

[KahnBB6]

Not much new on the 3rd gen GR86 but I missed these back in April of this year.

What stands out as newly relevant IMO (which hasn't been talked about much yet as far as I am aware):

--The Mazda collaboration may be for a planned 4th gen car rather than for the upcoming 3rd gen. This is probably due to Mazda opting to forego any hybrid system for the next major refresh of the Miata. Presumably they will have to eventually after they exhaust every last thing they can with their Skyactiv engine technology.

So Toyota and Mazda probably will collaborate but we won't see the fruits of that collaboration until further down the road. If the 3rd gen GR86 is due to show up for the 2028 model year at earliest this would put a 4th gen Toyota & Mazda co-developed chassis well into the 2030's.

--This leaves whatever platform the 3rd gen is currently being developed on with a big question mark, other than that they're targeting 2900lbs, similarly small size, A/T and M/T available and 48V mild hybridization on Toyota's own engine which would easily allow for a manual transmission to be offered.



https://www.tarmaclife.co.nz/news/b...t-toyota-gr86-could-be-better-than-you-think/

https://torquecafe.com/toyota-news-2028-gr86-mild-hybrid/

https://www.autoblog.com/news/next-gen-toyota-gr86-set-for-hybrid-era

 

[Ron L]

If a 2028 GR MR2 looked like this, with 400hp, 4 wheel drive, a 6 speed manual and most of the same tech that my 2025 Supra has... I'd buy it in a minute and be willing to pay $75,000 for it!

 

[jmikes]

Only next-gen GR car I would upgrade the MK5 to is the MK6 if it's a proper supercar or borderline supercar for 100K or less.

If Toyota's smart they'll make the GR MR2/Celica a Cayman competitor and target the non-turbo 911 for the MK6 Supra. There really aren't many good 911 competitors these days if you don't want a vette, a 4000 pound BMW, or another maintenance hog Euro car that loses half its value in the first 1000 miles.

 

[BMWAF]

If Toyota's smart they'll make the GR MR2/Celica a Cayman competitor and target the non-turbo 911 for the MK6 Supra. There really aren't many good 911 competitors these days if you don't want a vette, a 4000 pound BMW, or another maintenance hog Euro car that loses half its value in the first 1000 miles.

You literally named very viable alternatives.. just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they don't exist. Learn from Honda's Prelude: The MR2/Celica will likely be competing with that, not a fucking Porsche, lol.

 

[jmikes]

You literally named very viable alternatives.. just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they don't exist. Learn from Honda's Prelude: The MR2/Celica will likely be competing with that, not a fucking Porsche, lol.

So the alternatives to the 911 are either modern heavy BMW's with numb everything and that need bodykits to not look like crap, or a car that looks like a wannabe lambo that you'll see 30 of on every trip to the grocery store? Barf! Lol

Jokes aside, they're all great cars, but not quite what the 911 is going for, that's why I don't view them as very good 911 competitors.

 

[Ron L]

Well, I'm not looking for a 911 competitor... exactly. I want a small car. To me, even my Supra is bigger than I would like it to be. Corvettes are really nice, but I want something other than what everybody else drives. Corvettes are everywhere and that's because they are fairly good looking, fast, reasonably priced and have local service dealerships. I like my Supra because it's fairly pretty, fast, reasonably priced, has local service dealerships and you don't see one at every intersection!

 

[mmspider]

So the alternatives to the 911 are either modern heavy BMW's with numb everything and that need bodykits to not look like crap, or a car that looks like a wannabe lambo that you'll see 30 of on every trip to the grocery store? Barf! Lol

Jokes aside, they're all great cars, but not quite what the 911 is going for, that's why I don't view them as very good 911 competitors.

You know the reason why there isn`t alternatives is likely due to lack of market demand in that segment. The reason why cars like BMW M3 do so well is because a lot of people use them as daily drivers.

Then you have cars like the Toyota 86 which are a lot cheaper and probably hit younger demographic. But a 70-80k small performance coupe could be a harder sell than a 140k 911. I read something saying the average new 911 buyer has a $500k+ income. These people are probably less interested in a Toyota sports car in general. They want a higher end experience. Porsche probably also doesn`t see a need for a affordable sports car either.

The older boomer generation single handedly keeps corvettes on the road. At this point of part of old man culture in North America. That car won`t exist either if it weren`t for them. I even think that car will be gone one day as younger people don`t care as much about it.

 

[jmikes]

You know the reason why there isn`t alternatives is likely due to lack of market demand in that segment. The reason why cars like BMW M3 do so well is because a lot of people use them as daily drivers.

Then you have cars like the Toyota 86 which are a lot cheaper and probably hit younger demographic. But a 70-80k small performance coupe could be a harder sell than a 140k 911. I read something saying the average new 911 buyer has a $500k+ income. These people are probably less interested in a Toyota sports car in general. They want a higher end experience. Porsche probably also doesn`t see a need for a affordable sports car either.

The older boomer generation single handedly keeps corvettes on the road. At this point of part of old man culture in North America. That car won`t exist either if it weren`t for them. I even think that car will be gone one day as younger people don`t care as much about it.

Right, while the market is definitely not very large, what i'm saying is the smart way to go is target the MK6 at the 85K range and more or less market itself as a 911 non-turbo alternative with more power for much less money.

I definitely get that most 911 buyers have deep pockets and are buying them mostly because of the Porsche badge, but as Nissan demonstrated with the GTR in the 2000's, if you make a car as good as the 6 figure behemoths for a more reasonable price, you can have some serious success. The GTR sold extraordinarily well in its first years even though the Nissan brand and logo was synonymous with boring cheap junk cars, people didn't care what brand the GTR was because it was such an amazing package for such a great price.

And again while the market isn't large, it also feels like there's a bit of a gap in the "not quite supercar money" segment right now. That is to say, if the MK6 comes in at say $85K with 500+ HP, a manual trans option, a premium interior, and better out of the box handling than the base 911 / 911-S, then I really think it could be a big hit. There aren't a lot of high-potential 2-door sports cars out in that range right now, especially if you exclude performance models of basic sedans (M-cars/most AMG's.) Only ones I can think of are the Vettes (which aren't "special" unless you pay $115K+ for a Z06 / no manual), Emira (Lotus reliability is a huge turnoff), Cayman (not a great enthusiast platform in most cases), LC500 (more of a comfy GT car), and lower trims of the AMG GT. Hopefully I'm not missing anything / correct me if I'm wrong and there's way more than that available new.

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