👣 Official: Toyota Announces Manual Transmission Supra!

Only interested if it comes in manual?


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I wonder how the subframe will handle all that torque

But to put things into perspective, it seems the top tier is 400+hp
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I wonder how the subframe will handle all that torque

But to put things into perspective, it seems the top tier is 400+hp
A stiffer chassis than an LFA means it might have some beefy subframes....not heavier.
 

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Very interesting to see WHICH manual might be used, but ultimately interested to see IF a manual might be used. I know everyone sees this differently, but to ME, automatics are for race cars and minivans (or basic transportation cars). I always hear the argument that the automatic is faster...to extend that argument, I could be faster yet if I hired Lewis Hamilton to drive my car, but that (like the automatic transmission, leaves me out of the process).

The other thing that concerns me about this car is BMW's involvement. BMW has a history of beta testing stuff on the consumer, and I can only hope that Toyota's involvement will temper that. I will let the folks that need to be first in line figure that part out. In any case, if a manual is forthcoming, it won't be soon...and I have zero interest in an enthusiast car with an automatic.
 

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Very interesting to see WHICH manual might be used, but ultimately interested to see IF a manual might be used. I know everyone sees this differently, but to ME, automatics are for race cars and minivans (or basic transportation cars). I always hear the argument that the automatic is faster...to extend that argument, I could be faster yet if I hired Lewis Hamilton to drive my car, but that (like the automatic transmission, leaves me out of the process).

The other thing that concerns me about this car is BMW's involvement. BMW has a history of beta testing stuff on the consumer, and I can only hope that Toyota's involvement will temper that. I will let the folks that need to be first in line figure that part out. In any case, if a manual is forthcoming, it won't be soon...and I have zero interest in an enthusiast car with an automatic.
http://club4ag.com/chief-engineer-t...gh-a-viewpoint-of-joint-development-with-bmw/

And a quote from said article

"The task list of each step in car making they expended on R&D was impressive. I almost started to think if they had an infinite budget funding to the task of design. Each step just much more extensive (and expensive) than what we would normally expend in different areas. Just astonishing. I started to doubt myself if this whole thing can be accomplished in a manner that can profit as a product sold as a Toyota. But then as development proceeded into next phases I was comforted when I saw there were later stages where Toyota would be the exact opposite, and BMW couldn't believe how extensive some of our quality and efficiency studies were as parts came into shape one by one. We would take every bit down to a fastener or rivet, and put it through our stringent quality control and a dozen other testing, we'd ship thousands of parts back to Japan for analysis. That is normal to us. Each piece we test at our level, they were now the ones surprised."

There might be a manual involved,, but it won't be cheap if it comes stateside. On the other hand in the RHD market, they won't have to fret about finding a MKV with a manual for cheap
 

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I am sure a leak will be up in the near future....:D:rolleyes:
These transmissions are not the best shifting transmissions but they are very strong. It's quite popular in Europe drift scene to bolt 2JZ/LS engines to the diesel ZF manual trans. I have a turbo 325i E30 and i bolted the GS6 to it and it's even on stock clutch at around 500whp. The N54 guys have many problems with their cars but manual transmission failing isn't one of them.

https://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?8541-VTT-GC-s-make-902WTQ-830WHP
 

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These transmissions are not the best shifting transmissions but they are very strong. It's quite popular in Europe drift scene to bolt 2JZ/LS engines to the diesel ZF manual trans. I have a turbo 325i E30 and i bolted the GS6 to it and it's even on stock clutch at around 500whp. The N54 guys have many problems with their cars but manual transmission failing isn't one of them.

https://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?8541-VTT-GC-s-make-902WTQ-830WHP
Yep...

Now remember, Tada did say that one of the biggest factors was transmission feel. I am sure there will be some sacrificing of "refinement" for strength and durability. I mean, that's exactly the case with the V160 right?...notchy and noisy, but strong asf! :D
 

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I’m fine with notchy and slightly noisy if it’s at the level of a V160 or Tremec Magnum.

I wouldn't even particularly mind the equivalent *feel* of an Aisin AR-5 or R154 Tripod if that’s all they could muster but I think *any* modern manual transmission for cars is way beyond any of the feel and limitations inherent in those.

As long as it’s equivalent to or smoother than the shifter and pedal feel of a V160 I don’t see any problem.
 

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Yep...

Now remember, Tada did say that one of the biggest factors was transmission feel. I am sure there will be some sacrificing of "refinement" for strength and durability. I mean, that's exactly the case with the V160 right?...notchy and noisy, but strong asf! :D
I can see the "refinement" going into the ZF8 Supras
 

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I can see the "refinement" going into the ZF8 Supras
Exactly! If someone wants a smooth shifting (still fast) MKV Supra, the ZF HP8 will more than handle the job.
 

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They will likely base it on a production manual, but like the 86 they will essentially create a 'new' trans based on feel that suits Tada's preferences.
 

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Wasn't the manual transmission from the FRS/86/GT86/BRZ a Toyota transmission? I know for a fact the automatic was a Toyota transmission. I just find it funny that the automatic was before used in big, luxurious cars in the mid 2000's and then slapped that same transmission in a 2012 car.
 

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Wasn't the manual transmission from the FRS/86/GT86/BRZ a Toyota transmission? I know for a fact the automatic was a Toyota transmission. I just find it funny that the automatic was before used in big, luxurious cars in the mid 2000's and then slapped that same transmission in a 2012 car.
Yes, the trans and diff were from the Altezza
 
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