All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

[gymratter]

Dan Passe said Nissan would be open to offering LSD on the base Z on the next model year but sadly what you see is what you get for 2023.

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[Haste]

Yeah LSD should have been standard or at least an option at the very least. However, the argument of no car is 100% prefect can be made and many would probably say it would still be better getting a base Z and then installing an aftermarket LSD vs the 2.0 Supra.

It's a smart move to me as it helps keep the base cost down, but I get wishing it was an option for those that really want the Sport model with a factory LSD. Think about how many people buy sports cars and don't have a clue what a LSD is. They never drive their car near the limit and probably never even turn the nannies off.

 

[ec15]

Think about how many people buy sports cars and don't have a clue what a LSD is. They never drive their car near the limit and probably never even turn the nannies off.

Probably the same people who talk about vehicle chassis.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

I'm talking about the price differences back in the day. And also think about the dollar and inflation. You need to take many things into account.

Oh man why didn't I think of that when I made my original post.

1993 MSRP
Supra turbo: $39,900
300ZX turbo: $37,655

Differences: $2,245
Inflation: $4,466.64

2023 Z Performance auto: 47,000 (est.)
2022 Supra 3.0 base: $51,640
Differences: $4,640

Anyways, let's stop splitting hair for a second. Let's go back when you said the Z is going to be a "hard sell". Sorry, but I disagree. The Z car has a pretty big following. Like a bunch of people have already said, it's like the Japanese Mustang.

 

[johnny_10196]

No doubt the Z has a huge fan base. They're going to sell good in the first few years. The real question is will Nissan give it proper updates to keep sale numbers from tanking as seen with the 370Z.

 

[Haste]

No doubt the Z has a huge fan base. They're going to sell good in the first few years. The real question is will Nissan give it proper updates to keep sale numbers from tanking as seen with the 370Z.

Not sure how accurate the figures that I'm looking at are, but for the US I'd say the 370Z sold well the first 7 or so model years. Most models have a successor by then so the drop off should be expected since it was basically the same car produced for 13 model years. Refreshing bumpers, wheels and other minor updates only gets you so far. 13 model years is pretty unheard of outside of the GT-R, some pickups, and maybe a few other exceptions. I think I'll survive without a 2035 Nissan Z FM Platform 35th Anniversary 65th Anniversary Edition model.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Oh man why didn't I think of that when I made my original post.

1993 MSRP
Supra turbo: $39,900
300ZX turbo: $37,655

Differences: $2,245
Inflation: $4,466.64

2023 Z Performance auto: 47,000 (est.)
2022 Supra 3.0 base: $51,640
Differences: $4,640

Anyways, let's stop splitting hair for a second. Let's go back when you said the Z is going to be a "hard sell". Sorry, but I disagree. The Z car has a pretty big following. Like a bunch of people have already said, it's like the Japanese Mustang.

You make good points. I thought the ZX was quite a lot cheaper than the Supra (like 4-5 grand back in the day).

 

[supraboi]

The Z has almost always out sold the Supra, nothing new here.

 

[vb22]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/t...n-z-and-already-modding.838/page-5#post-25883

 

[Sub-MkV]

So I saw it yesterday and my thoughts on the whole car is just that I find it to be a very simple design.

Rear end - this was my favorite part outside yet I forgot to take a pic of it. The rear was interesting because of the lights that give off a 300zx vibe and the smooth black diffuser in gloss black. It kinda looks boxy in shape however which is similar to a 240z 8/10

Side profile - this is where I became a bit disappointed vs pics. It looks kind of flat and simple instead of having that typical sports car muscular curves. I did like the black top in person as I did in pics. 7/10

Front - I'm still not a fan of this area in the flesh. It's my least favorite part of the car. 3/10

Interior - it looked like a really nice improvement over the 370z but keep in mind this is the Performance Premium model. 9/10

This car has what I consider a somewhat safe/inoffensive and boring design of the sports car spectrum. If you're into that and you hate sleek creases and curves with either real or fake vents this car will more than suffice.

 

[MLG Tofu Shop]

So I saw it yesterday and my thoughts on the whole car is just that I find it to be a very simple design.

Rear end - this was my favorite part outside yet I forgot to take a pic of it. The rear was interesting because of the lights that give off a 300zx vibe and the smooth black diffuser in gloss black. It kinda looks boxy in shape however which is similar to a 240z 8/10

Side profile - this is where I became a bit disappointed vs pics. It looks kind of flat and simple instead of having that typical sports car muscular curves. I did like the black top in person as I did in pics. 7/10

Front - I'm still not a fan of this area in the flesh. It's my least favorite part of the car. 3/10

Interior - it looked like a really nice improvement over the 370z but keep in mind this is the Performance Premium model. 9/10

This car has what I consider a somewhat safe/inoffensive and boring design of the sports car spectrum. If you're into that and you hate sleek creases and curves with either real or fake vents this car will more than suffice.

It's like they are trying to make sure that the stamping of the body panels can be done as quickly and cheaply as possible, even a Corolla hatchback has more curves on its sides.

 

[RenRed2]

It's like they are trying to make sure that the stamping of the body panels can be done as quickly and cheaply as possible, even a Corolla hatchback has more curves on its sides.

Just a cost-containment exercise to capitalize on the name for a few $$. Glad we have new sportscars but its a symptom of a box filled/truck trash- Suv world we live. Fk all that.

I would not buy the Z. I like the Supra better and its a much more intriguing design visually vs the Z. We are lucky to have both given what most people buy to drive overall.

 

[MLG Tofu Shop]

Just a cost-containment exercise to capitalize on the name for a few $$. Glad we have new sportscars but its a symptom of a box filled/truck trash- Suv world we live. Fk all that.

I would not buy the Z. I like the Supra better and its a much more intriguing design visually vs the Z. We are lucky to have both given what most people buy to drive overall.

Speaking of those CUVs, SUVs and pick-up trucks, I really don't get why so many people keep getting more and more obsessed with tall riding vehicles, if they need a vehicle that can go off-roading and hauling heavy loads then I totally understand buying a BOF SUV or a pick-up truck, but most people just buy and use them for the typical daily commute on the street, and later then they start complaining about fuel and tire costs, also lets not talk about how pointless crossovers/CUVs generally are.

 

[Traxion]

Sorry guys I couldn't help myself after seeing how that front looks.

 

[nosavingthrow]

Interior - it looked like a really nice improvement over the 370z but keep in mind this is the Performance Premium model. 9/10

IMO it is hard to score the interior until folks have actually owned and lived with the car. I owned a 370Z for about 7 years and it rattled, squeaked and overall didn't feel super well put together. I worry because the new interior looks almost exactly the same, with new electronics but basically the same junky trim.

Also, the seats look the same as the 370Z, which I absolutely hated. I'm curious if anyone has gotten to sit in one of these and can confirm if the seats still do the thing where when you push your head back against the headrest, you can feel the seat bulge out and push against your upper back. Hated that, made the seats just seem cheaply put together.

All that said, the electronics/infotainment upgrades in the new Z are extremely welcome.

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