C&D: Supra vs Z vs M240 vs Mach 1

[MLG Tofu Shop]

I like how the big US car magazines almost always test the Mach 1 with the handling pack even if it makes it more expensive than its rivals, which in this case it does.

The bias makes the review so painful and cringey to read.
1. They are still trying to salvage that overpriced and uncompetitive pile that is the nissan Z.
2. M240i uncomfortable? What were they even smoking when they were driving that car?
3. GR Supra not good looking? Bruh it's the only car here that looks like it could be a 6-figure supercar.
4. A rental car with some go fast parts from a low quality car manufacturer that is more expensive than even BMW's sports models getting first place? The Mustang would be lucky to get 3rd place if this test was conducted by anyone who doesn't have a strange level of fondness and bias towards American cars and someone who values good build quality.

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[RenRed2]

I like how the big US car magazines almost always test the Mach 1 with the handling pack even if it makes it more expensive than its rivals, which in this case it does.

The bias makes the review so painful and cringey to read.
1. They are still trying to salvage that overpriced and uncompetitive pile that is the nissan Z.
2. M240i uncomfortable? What were they even smoking when they were driving that car?
3. GR Supra not good looking? Bruh it's the only car here that looks like it could be a 6-figure supercar.
4. A rental car with some go fast parts from a low quality car manufacturer that is more expensive than even BMW's sports models getting first place? The Mustang would be lucky to get 3rd place if this test was conducted by anyone who doesn't have a strange level of fondness and bias towards American cars and someone who values good build quality.

Drive M240 in sport on not so good roads ANY performance car might be uncomfortable. LOL. That review was paid for by Ford lol

 

[CSUfiend]

No kidding. Some of the American bias reminds me of that old school motorweek video where they tried to compare a Camaro z28 to a Porsche 928 back in the early 80’s.

 

[dreamdrivedrift]

I understand what C&D did and while I may not agree, I get it. Would like to see a comparo between the 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 and the Supra 3.0. Different price and engine placement but same wheelbase and both 6 cylinder RWD.

fundamentally two very different cars that nobody should be cross shopping after driving both. The Porsche is a precision sports car and the Supra is a GT car, much more of a blunt instrument. There is so much more driver feedback and linearity to a response in the Porsche than the Supra which is comparatively numb.

Toyota may have benchmarked Porsche but they are in two completely different segments.

 

[romanLegion9574]

fundamentally two very different cars that nobody should be cross shopping after driving both. The Porsche is a precision sports car and the Supra is a GT car, much more of a blunt instrument. There is so much more driver feedback and linearity to a response in the Porsche than the Supra which is comparatively numb.

Toyota may have benchmarked Porsche but they are in two completely different segments.

Ehh, I'd argue they're closer as sports cars than Supra vs Z.

 

[digicidal]

Interesting that if you just take their own "objective scores" things look a little different. Although I would strongly debate their definition of "objective"... but we'll give them the benefit of the doubt:

Mach 1: 68
MKV: 80
m240i: 88
Z: 68

So until you add in all the subjective horseshit they use to justify their preconceived conclusions... the Mustang and the Z are tied and are both around 15-20% worse than either of the BMW's - erm I mean Toyota and BMW. Granted if you remove the apparent advantages of having a back seat and somehow "objectively" determining that there are 150% more features and amenities on the BMW than the MKV then the two are similarly scored with a slight edge going to the MKV.

 

[Sub-MkV]

C&D has compared the 2020 Supra to a base 2.0 Cayman but then they decided to throw in GT350. In the scenario they preferred the Supra to the Cayman but the GT350 won it all since it's a track model Mustang.

 

[je8]

Interesting comparison with what seems like a lot honest thoughts, but objectiveness on the scorecard can certainly be disputed on categories like styling, transmission, and features.

Outside of the Supra, I only have personal driving experience with the Mach 1 (auto, non-HP, catless 1 7/8 headers, and added HP-aero). In track mode, the exhaust is hilariously intoxicating, and the extra interior room is welcome. Outside of that, I appreciate the materials & build quality, nimble driving characteristics+smaller size, and ZF trans over the Mach 1. The 6-speed Tremec is certainly the better choice for the Mustang IMO and the biggest reason to opt for the Mach 1 over GT.

I think as time goes on, the automotive journalist world will continue to appreciate the Supra for what it is as we are starting to see here and other places (thinking Cammisa's latest Hagerty video - Icons Ep 7). The manual option should certainly help.

 

[Schang105]

fundamentally two very different cars that nobody should be cross shopping after driving both. The Porsche is a precision sports car and the Supra is a GT car, much more of a blunt instrument. There is so much more driver feedback and linearity to a response in the Porsche than the Supra which is comparatively numb.

Toyota may have benchmarked Porsche but they are in two completely different segments.

Same segment, but for different customers.

C&D has compared the 2020 Supra to a base 2.0 Cayman but then they decided to throw in GT350. In the scenario they preferred the Supra to the Cayman but the GT350 won it all since it's a track model Mustang.

When press embargo lifts on the 2023 Supra 3.0 Manual Transmission, I may email C&D to ask if they can do a new comparo between that and their long term 718 Cayman GTS 4.0. Sometimes it's not about winning the race, but seeing how close you got to the champ.

 

[Blackbeard]

fundamentally two very different cars that nobody should be cross shopping after driving both. The Porsche is a precision sports car and the Supra is a GT car, much more of a blunt instrument. There is so much more driver feedback and linearity to a response in the Porsche than the Supra which is comparatively numb.

Toyota may have benchmarked Porsche but they are in two completely different segments.

hey sometimes all you need is a sledge hammer to get it done lol

 

[CSUfiend]

I would agree that the Porsche and Supra are not cross shopped with the same consumer, but in that same vein, one could say the same for the Supra and Mustang as well. Supra is a 2 seater, smaller dimensions overall and weighs a great deal less too. When there’s a sumo wrestler difference in weight, I would argue that it’s a different class altogether (in addition to many many other variables that may separate two cars).

There will always be outliers, but I feel like the Supra is likely to get crossed shopped with a Z more than, a Mustang/Camaro/Charger. The same could be said for a Mustang/Challenger/Camaro buyer, who also wouldn’t be cross shopping with an ‘import’ brand either.

If a Mustang gets compared to something other than a Camaro/Challenger and ‘wins’, it doesn’t mean those cars are now cross town rivals competing for the same customer.. it just gives the winner a chance to smile and pat themselves in the back. No more, no less. Apply that logic to Supra vs. Porsche or Challenger (for that matter), and it would also apply.

At the end of the day, the Supra’s chief rival is the Z. I don’t think the Mustang guy is looking at those cars over., a Camaro, per say. And vice versa as well.

 

[OneTimeAccount]

Usually I like C&D reviews but this one seems a bit off to me.

I’d probably choose the Mach 1 over the Supra as well with how they were both set up for this “comparison”. But only in the performance category. I wouldn’t choose it over Supra in the styling category. To me, it’s still a mustang and since I’m in Ford’s home state, I see way too many. They’re boring to me.

The Mach 1 had stickier, wider, and more responsive tires, added aero, and Recaro seats which no doubt would make it feel more response and aggressive when pushed compared to the Supra in stock form. Throw a bucket seat and stickier tires on the Supra to bring it up to the same price as the Mach 1 as tested and I’m sure they would’ve had a tougher time choosing who to be #1.

And I don’t care what anyone says, you won’t persuade me that stickier tires on any modern car won’t make it feel and be quicker, regardless of how good the chassis is. Throw some Cup 2’s on VS 300 TW PSS street tires and the car will perform better.

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[razorlab]

fundamentally two very different cars that nobody should be cross shopping after driving both. The Porsche is a precision sports car and the Supra is a GT car, much more of a blunt instrument. There is so much more driver feedback and linearity to a response in the Porsche than the Supra which is comparatively numb.

Toyota may have benchmarked Porsche but they are in two completely different segments.

Interesting statement. I actually cross shopped both. I chose the supra over the GTS because it was more than $30,000 less, but not $30,000 less of a car. In the real world , with less than $10k in mods, the Supra can basically put down similar lap times as a Porsche GT4 (which is basically double the price of a Supra), and with the other $20k saved over the GTS, I can do a crap ton of track days, not to mention a huge savings on track day insurance.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

Can't really agree with that. I think the Mach 1 looks different enough that even the casual observer would know it's sometning special. I mean, I don't think it's quite as special as a GT350 or GT500, but it's not exactly a garden variety 5.0 GT either. There's a lot visually to make it stand out. And mechanically, the Tremec manual transmission is probably the biggest thing it has going for it (yes, I realize that's something that nobody will see and most non-Mustang people will car about) over any regular GT Mustang.

IDK, these are 2 ecoboost mustangs and and a Mach 1 to a casual observer id bet they couldnt tell the difference. Obviously, we know. but lower part of the front valance and the lower rear valance, a sticker pack and badging is all that there is to tell them apart. Obviously like you said there are many parts that make it something special and id have traded my 18 GT in a heartbeat for a Mach 1 back then. I guess my point on what im saying is looks wise, appearance idk how it got a 9. GT350/GT500 you can see how much wider and meaner they look, the others. its hard to tell the difference between a base rental car and the top of the line GT, from a quick glance.

 

[PikkaGTR]

IDK, these are just ecoboost mustangs and to a casual observer id bet they couldnt tell the difference. Obviously, we know. but lower part of the front valance and the lower rear valance, a sticker pack and badging is all that there is to tell them apart. Obviously like you said there are many parts that make it something special and id have traded my 18 GT in a heartbeat for a Mach 1 back then. I guess my point on what im saying is looks wise, appearance idk how it got a 9. GT350/GT500 you can see how much wider and meaner they look, the others. its hard to tell the difference between a base rental car and the top of the line GT, from a quick glance.

I saw those 3 exact same cars parked outside the local vape shop yesterday
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