U.S.-Market Toyota Supra Four-Cylinder Officially Announced

[justbake]

It'll be interesting to see the price of the 2.0L Supra. In Japan, the SZ-R is about 15% less than the RZ. Assuming the US spec would follow the similar price factor, that would make the US spec 2.0L Supra about 42-43k. That would still make it slightly more expensive than an STI and Civic Type R. Just not sure if it's worth it considering how impractical the Supra is compared to similar hot hatches.

If someone is in the market to spend over 40k for a highly impractical sports car, does saving 7-8k really matter? This makes even less sense if it still comes with an 8 speed auto.

People buy the 4 cylinder RC for $41k to save a few grand over the RC350 for whatever reason

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[Axix23]

Will the 4 cylinder have different badging?

 

[JasonO]

Will the 4 cylinder have different badging?

Celica?

 

[digicidal]

People buy the 4 cylinder RC for $41k to save a few grand over the RC350 for whatever reason

Yep. In most cases it seems due to very slightly improved fuel economy figures. I'm always stupefied by this as I can't imagine if that is your primary reason for selecting a car why you'd want a ICE as opposed to electric - and why you'd even be looking at a heavier luxury model in the first place.

Granted that is more prevalent in the fixed-income set where (despite usually driving less than 8K miles per year) they would rather spend money up front for a perceived ROI from fuel savings... which they're never likely to realize.

Will the 4 cylinder have different badging?

I'd be amazed if it did. If they were going to do that, I would have expected the 3.0L would get it... buyers of the cheaper variants would naturally prefer not to advertise that fact to the world. I assume that's why it's often obfuscated with odd naming i.e. the CE/SE/Limited/TRD - the cheaper cars say nothing or have a tiny designation.... the "Limited" and "TRD" versions have it loud and proud in several places however.

 

[ToyoBMW]

I can't imagine a cheaper looking Supra. What would they need to do to it to make it look different than the 3.0?

1. Cheaper brake calipers that are black?
2. Smaller wheels and tires?
3. Black mirrors and door handles?
4. Cloth seats?

It'll be interesting to see the final product, how they will actually cheapen it.

 

[jtsang25]

I can't imagine a cheaper looking Supra. What would they need to do to it to make it look different than the 3.0?

1. Cheaper brake calipers that are black?
2. Smaller wheels and tires?
3. Black mirrors and door handles?
4. Cloth seats?

It'll be interesting to see the final product, how they will actually cheapen it.

That's basically what the lower trim model in Japan is. Smaller brakes, muffler, Alcantara seats, smaller wheels and tires.

 

[geert.bieseman]

That's basically what the lower trim model in Japan is. Smaller brakes, muffler, Alcantara seats, smaller wheels and tires.

Correct. Below both starting prices from Belgium:

Outside 3D render of the 2.0L

Inside 3D render of the 2.0L (alcantara leather is default):

One option pack available for the 2.0L which includes:

• Wireless charging
• Heads-up display
• JBL premium sound system
• 12 speakers
• Black leather interor

Aditionally, you can order the carbon fibre mirrors (603€ a piece)
Metallic paint costs 900€


For the ones wondering... no there is no manual transmission available and yes it is the 258HP version of the 2.0L



P.S.: Here in Belgium, the GT86 starts at 33400€

 

[satindragon]

So 2.0L buyers get pretty much the same look and probably better fuel economy for 15k less. I don't see that as a big deal.

Keep in mind that there's a subset of enthusiasts who care more about how the car looks than all out horsepower. I don't think that Toyota offering a 4 cylinder version diminishes the value of the 3.0L cars.

It's still going to be an expensive sports car even given the smaller engine. This is really no different from the MK4 NA cars. Technology has just made it possible for the cheaper version to be a 4 cylinder turbo instead of 6 cylinder NA. We should be happy that Toyota is throwing money/support behind bringing us the new halo car.

I'm glad the Supra is back. Good times.

 

[ayau]

Other than the 2.0 being cheaper by probably about 8k, is there a reason to get the 2.0 Supra?

We know it probably won’t get a manual. It’s lighter, but so is a Miata. Unless I’m missing something, I just don’t see a big incentive to get the 2.0.

 

[satindragon]

I agree. I prefer the bigger engine. More torque and more responsive. But some people (due to finances or not caring about power) will happily embrace the 2.0L. It's good to have options.

 

[jtsang25]

Other than the 2.0 being cheaper by probably about 8k, is there a reason to get the 2.0 Supra?

We know it probably won’t get a manual. It’s lighter, but so is a Miata. Unless I’m missing something, I just don’t see a big incentive to get the 2.0.

For the people that want to swap engines possibly.

 

[mkivalex]

For the people that want the look but don't care about the power

Really no different than the NA supra. It looked the exact same. You could get the big wing on it.

Differences were smaller brakes, smaller wheels, different seats...

 

[justbake]

There are many ~250hp 4 cylinder coupes that MSRP over $40k (in the US alteast) such as the Lexus RC300, BMW 430i, BMW Z4 30i, Audi A5, Audi TT, Mercedes C300. There are many many people who want a premium coupe that don't need a sub-5 second 0-60.

 

[geert.bieseman]

There are many ~250hp 4 cylinder coupes that MSRP over $40k (in the US alteast) such as the Lexus RC300, BMW 430i, BMW Z4 30i, Audi A5, Audi TT, Mercedes C300. There are many many people who want a premium coupe that don't need a sub-5 second 0-60.

Forgot to mention indeed the 0-100km/h (62mph): it is 5.2 seconds
NEDC co-level at 143gr (WLTP co-level at 168gr)

• 3.0L = NEDC co-level at 170gr (WLTP co-level at 188gr)

 

[justbake]

Forgot to mention indeed the 0-100km/h (62mph): it is 5.2 seconds
NEDC co-level at 143gr (WLTP co-level at 168gr)

• 3.0L = NEDC co-level at 170gr (WLTP co-level at 188gr)

That sounds about right since the Z4 30i has a 0-60 of 5.2s as well.

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