U.S.-Market Toyota Supra Four-Cylinder Officially Announced

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Will there we be any distinction on the exterior to differentiate the 3.0 vs the 2.0 other than the 18” wheels? Ugh
For exterior, 2.0 don’t have 4 Piston calipers & only have 18” wheels are the visual difference... of course doesn’t have AVS... but not sure you can visually see that
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For exterior, 2.0 don’t have 4 Piston calipers & only have 18” wheels are the visual difference... of course doesn’t have AVS... but not sure you can visually see that
gotcha. So they will virtually look like the 3.0 from an untrained eye. I was hoping like an emblem or something.
 

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gotcha. So they will virtually look like the 3.0 from an untrained eye. I was hoping like an emblem or something.
People still keep emblems on their cars? I thought they took em off lol jk You’re correct, w untrained eye, can’t tell the difference... just like ppl can’t tell the difference between 86 & BRZ.
 

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Those brand names carry a lot of weight, but so does "Supra"
Idk, Supra badge wasn't enough to even save the almighty MK4. Anyway, since we'll just speculating, let's revisit this topic in a year or two when we get some numbers in.

Side note, I wouldn't be suprised if the same thing happen to the 2.0 Supra.

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2019/08/25/lexus-gs-300-discontinued-for-2020-model-year/

Lexus USA has discontinued the GS 300 sedan for the 2020 model year due to poor sales. Website CarsDirect discovered the change:

So why is Lexus doing away with the cheapest GS? Unsurprisingly, it’s because people weren’t buying it.

According to Lexus spokesperson Alissa Moceri, “the GS 300 represented a small percentage of GS sales in 2018,” adding “we are constantly evaluating model mixes throughout our lineup.”

The GS 300 was powered by the Lexus 2.0L turbo engine, and was first introduced in 2016. The GS 350 will remain in the 2020 lineup with a base price of $52,420 USD. The GS F high-performance sedan will also continue to be offered, retailing for $86,035 USD.
 

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I'm glad you posted this. There will also most likely be tons of 2020 base model years sitting on the lots by the time the 2021 2.0 reaches showroom floors. The 2020 year models are still in production until March. I would not be surprised if dealers let the 3.0 base go for near the price tag of the 2.0. Then the question is, if so, is anyone really going to pick a 2.0 over a base 3.0 for nearly the same price?
I have already found a 3.0 base on autotrader for $47k. For an extra $5k I would gladly pick this over a stipped out 4 cyl version.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for...e1=SUPRA&digitalRetail=true&clickType=listing
 

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So is the 4 cylinder under rated too? So it will put out close to 300whp?
No. They have several versions of this engine. The latest editions output 255bhp and 300bhp. If it is under rated, it will be marginal.
 

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http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/news/four-cylinder-toyota-supra/

2021 Toyota Supra: First Real Photos of 2.0 4-Cylinder A91 & Why It Might Not Be As Bad As It Sounds

The fifth generation Supra has already received more than enough criticism for collaborating with BMW and sharing much of the same DNA as the Z4. Well, if you're a Mk4 Supra purists, chances are you were filled with rage once again as last week when Toyota USA announced they'll be offering a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder option to live alongside the 3.0-liter inline-six. A four-cylinder Supra? Are you serious? A Supra was meant to have the roar of six, not the purr of a four banger, right? Well, after attending Toyota's press conference of the A91 Supra at Daytona International Raceway, I was able to dive a little deeper into the new 2.0, sit in on an informative roundtable with Supra chief engineer Tatsuya Tada, and also snap some real photos of the first 2.0-liter Supras on American soil (since first photos are from the official press release). I'm still not sold on the four-cylinder Supra, especially as a 3.0 A90 Launch Edition owner myself, but what I learned from the Toyota team and Tada-san made some sense. It'll just be a question of whether the American market will feel the same way.

2.0L Four-Cylinder Turbocharged Engine

Pop the hood and the four-cylinder engine bay doesn't look too much different except a different engine cover (four painted lines instead of six) and more space in front. The 2.0-liter inline-four is a powertrain shared with the BMW Z4 and recognized as the B48. Features a single twin-scroll turbo, direction injection and continuously variable valve timing. Horsepower is rated 255hp at 5,000 to 6,500 rpm, while torque is 295 lb-ft at 1,550 to 4,400rpm. We will not be getting the 194hp iteration that's available in Japan. The same eight-speed ZF automatic from the inline-six model is used in the four-cylinder. Lastly, Toyota estimates its 0-60mph is 5 seconds flat.

Associated downgrades with the 2.0 model

Aside from the smaller engine, the four-cylinder Supra will be stripped of its active diff and active suspension. The front brakes have also shrunk - the rotors going from 348mm to 330mm, and the calipers changing from a four-piston Brembo setup to single-pistons. Inside, the radio is affected with a basic four speaker system coming as standard, as well as manual seats. 18-inch cast wheels are equipped as opposed to the 19-inch forged ones offered in the inline-six, and if you're looking close enough, you'll notice the exhaust tips are slightly a smaller diameter.

4 reasons why the four-cylinder might not be as terrible as you think
  1. According to chief engineer Tada-san as well as Toyota's test drivers, this 2.0 is the Supra they'd all agree is the better car to drive every day, plus the faster and more enjoyable car to drive on tight touge and downhill roads. It's 200 lbs lighter than the 3.0 at 3,181 lbs; still has a good torque; despite smaller wheels, still has the same tires and aspect ratio; and also offers a truer 50:50 weight distribution taking into account the driver's weight compared to the 3.0 model. In Tada-san's own words, "it's shockingly well-balanced and can be faster than the 3.0 on certain tracks in some cases. "
  2. It looks basically the same as the 3.0! Aesthetically, the major differences are the wheels, exhaust tips and front brakes, but that's it. All the color options will be offered in the 2.0 minus the matte grey option. Toyota mentioned they didn't want this 2.0 to look like a blatant stripped-down base model, but still be worthy of the Supra badge.
  3. Pricing is yet to be announced but you can expect the Supra to be somewhere right in between the starting sticker of the 2020 Toyota 86 ($27,060) and 2020 Supra 3.0 ($49,990). It's truly geared for people who are fans of both cars, maybe might have owned or enjoyed an 86 before and on the fence about the Supra.
  4. Toyota forecasts the take rate of four-cylinders to be 20% at the start. We still believe the 2.0 is a car geared toward the Japanese and possibly Euro markets, places that have welcomed four-cylinder performance more so than America. So, while this is causing quite a commotion, especially among OG Supra fanatics, this is just a reminder that it's not the end of the world. However, if it actually could perform as well as the 3.0, yet come in the $40K range, we could see some interesting comparisons with other turbocharged fours out there like the Subaru STI, Honda Civic Type and Golf R.
 

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Just to be certain, the Supra 2.0L four cylinder model may not have the electronically active limited slip differential (BMW's active "M" LSD) that the 3.0L B58 models come with standard but surely Toyota still bestowed each 2.0L with a non-"active" traditional mechanical limited slip differential... right? Just so long as they are not open diff cars from the factory.
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