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Its only like a grand more.
Obviously yes, but my point is we see keyboard warriors whine about this all the time. But the Miata doesn't have anywhere of the same amount of outcry. Case in point, #selectiveoutrage.Yes, everyone that did not buy one.
We were talking about 86 vs Miata... and you may want to double check you're price18 Miata ~$25.2k / 155hp
18 86 ~$26.5k* / 205hp
The Miata almost doubled in price for 55hp in the same time frame. There's no out cry because the Miata is still cheaper compared to other sport/sporty cars on the market.
It's nice to see new people on the forums come on here and try and act like they know what the hell they are talking about. Here you are buddy, a bing search for you (plug in the numbers):"A good majority of people are paying $60-$70k now for used MKIV's" = Not true. VERY FEW people are paying that. My guess is from 10 to 90 sell at that price every year. And I wouldn't be surprised if most of those were rich speculators taking a flier on something different with what amounts to pocket change for them.
"The GTR still sells, and sells pretty damn well" = Not true. And I don't have to guess. Last year 578 GT-R's sold in the US. The year before it was 698.
There aren't hordes of people waiting to buy a $100,000 Toyota. And there was never a chance this Toyota, co-developed with BMW as a next-gen Z4, was going to be a $100k car. Thankfully. And before you say the MKIV cost $80,000 in today's dollars: it didn't. The original prices and the inflation calculator are both easy enough to find with bing. I did the calculations, they're in my first post if you want to see the results. Along with the woefully low sales numbers. And those sales numbers, along with the current GT-R sales numbers, tell us "what the people want", or at least what they don't want. If the people wanted what the Supra offered back then it wouldn't have sold so pitifully and it wouldn't have been discontinued.
I view it like this.94 Supra ~$43k / 320hp
19 Supra ~$63.5k* / 335hp -380hp*
I'm taking MX5/Miata vs Supra prices/power, since this is a MKV thead, 25k then or 32k for the Miata might be a fully loaded one then, since I just went for MSRP. Regardless, the Miata is still cheaper than its competitors, so why would the owners/potential buyers cry, when they can't get anything cheaper and performs the way the Miata does.We were talking about 86 vs Miata... and you may want to double check you're price
https://www.mazdausa.com/vehicles/mx-5-miata
Yeah its a MKV Supra thread, but people keep bring up the 86. You also used the base price for the A80, and not that loaded one. You can get a 86 for about the same price and it does perform very similar. Again, all I'm saying is that if people are complaining about the 86 being under-power, than they should do the same for the Miata.I'm taking MX5/Miata vs Supra prices/power, since this is a MKV thead, 25k then or 32k for the Miata might be a fully loaded one then, since I just went for MSRP. Regardless, the Miata is still cheaper than its competitors, so why would the owners/potential buyers cry, when they can't get anything cheaper and performs the way the Miata does.
Why would you say the 86 is a failure? They meet their sales goal for the first year. Sales have declining because its going on 6 years now. The only failure imo would be no real meaning full updates like a higher performance version and a shooting-brake / convertible (missed opportunity to bite into some VW/Civic hb and Miata sales).Don't be upset that your beloved Supra is going to be failure like it's little brother the FR-S.
Do you mean underrated?I wonder if it's undertuned from the factory.
I just saw that this thread got featured and this rendering was used as a preview. Does that mean these are the closest ones to the real thing?
I'm actually surprised that TJ's renderings aren't closer.Yes.
The front splitter and a few small details are a little different, but that is very close to the production car, according to the the source of the leak.
Apparently it looks even better in person, the proportions are supposedly very good.
yeah but its not 1993 anymore. now the C7 makes 460hp with a $55.5k price tag. the specs are ok at best, but they need to price it under the Vette. imo, no more than $50k.I view it like this.
1993 Supra NA: $33,900 / 225hp - rate of inflation puts it at $58,778.61.
1993 Supra TT: $39,900 / 320hp - rate of inflation puts it at $69,181.91.
2020 Supra base: $60,000 / 350hp - 380hp
So we're basically getting TT Supra performance for a NA Supra price tag.