Auto > Manual

[roboengr]

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Umm.. clutches don't care about traffic if they are used properly... and your short trips to get take-out are likely far more damaging to the engine.



It's OK. Along with your other comments, this just confirms you have never actually been a manual driver. In my twenty years of being a manual driver I don't think I have ever been worried about being in traffic. Even in gridlock, I don't ever recall thinking, damn.. I wish I was in an auto.





Not really. The fewer people drive manuals, the fewer they will produce. Not sure why automatic drivers don't see that driving a car that automatically changes its gears is just moving one step closer to a car that automatically drives you around. ?‍

BUt THey wiLL bE FaSTeR and GReAT iN TRaFFiC! ?

You don't know me, and neither do I know you. Wouldn't it be a bit immature to judge if someone a "real manual driver"? What would even be the definition of a manual driver? How did you know you were a manual driver?

My first car was a manual, drove through SF bay area traffic, and commuted up and down the bay, including the city through the slopes no issue. My first sports car was a 6 spd NC miata that I also commuted through SF, second was a S550 Mach 1 w/ the 6 speed tremec that I drove that thing in and out of Toronto. I've driven my fair share of manual and bought enough cars to know that it's not the best and most enjoyable experience just to be doing 1st-2nd gear driving in some of the worst traffic in North America. Where do you live? Have you been in actual gridlock?

In gridlock, I never wished I was in an auto equivalent of my fun cars. I wish I had taken my daily instead if not trying to get to the fun roads. I don't know what kinda fetish you have to enjoy gridlock in a high-horsepower manual car moving 50 feet every 2 minutes.

The point is, people buy their car for a reason. There's no trophy on who's driving a manual NOW and who's not. MR/MS "THE ACTUAL MANUAL DRIVER WHO HAD 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DRIVING MANUAL"

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[Loco38SUP]

We should have @VinceChristmastree do a shootout manuals vs autos to put this one to rest.

-RJM

 

[BMWAF]

I saw some Japanese YouTube where dude was .1 seconds behind the auto. But let's not pretend even a fraction of us are that good. Auto is our best bet at getting that claimed 0-60 | 1/4 mile times. And auto will be far more consistent too. Even the advertised numbers has the manual slightly behind the auto, iirc. Js.

You seem to be insinuating that in an automatic we can all be that good - And there's the rub. Part of the MT charm is knowing that we have to bring our A Game when it comes to gear changes, if we are to be at our best.

Also, advertised numbers aren't gospel, look at BMW/Supra engine power ratings.

You don't know me, and neither do I know you. Wouldn't it be a bit immature to judge if someone a "real manual driver"? What would even be the definition of a manual driver? How did you know you were a manual driver?

My first car was a manual, drove through SF bay area traffic, and commuted up and down the bay, including the city through the slopes no issue. My first sports car was a 6 spd NC miata that I also commuted through SF, second was a S550 Mach 1 w/ the 6 speed tremec that I drove that thing in and out of Toronto. I've driven my fair share of manual and bought enough cars to know that it's not the best and most enjoyable experience just to be doing 1st-2nd gear driving in some of the worst traffic in North America. Where do you live? Have you been in actual gridlock?

In gridlock, I never wished I was in an auto equivalent of my fun cars. I wish I had taken my daily instead if not trying to get to the fun roads. I don't know what kinda fetish you have to enjoy gridlock in a high-horsepower manual car moving 50 feet every 2 minutes.

The point is, people buy their car for a reason. There's no trophy on who's driving a manual NOW and who's not. MR/MS "THE ACTUAL MANUAL DRIVER WHO HAD 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DRIVING MANUAL"

Blah blah blah. You currently drive and defend driving an automatic sports car that is available in a manual transmission. I'm not making a personal comment about you as a human being or your driving history. I just think your reasons for choosing an automatic sports car over a manual one, are bunk and not in line with those who genuinely love and champion MT cars. ?‍

 

[JoshuaQ]

"You seem to be insinuating that in an automatic we can all be that good"

I mean, if you don't know how the push the pedal to 100% throttle you got issues.

I said 0-60 and 1/4 mile. Pushing the pedal to the metal in auto is pretty easy. I don't think you need them mad skillz to do that. Is that what you're insinuating?

 

[DEupra]

You fucker, lol. Ya but what about the paddles? They can slap these cheeks I guess.

The AT paddles, oh you’re just flicking your cars beans and you think you’re doing a good job with the AT perfect shifts, when in reality it's just doing it automatically.

 

[JoshuaQ]

The AT paddles, oh you’re just flicking your cars beans and you think you’re doing a good job with the AT perfect shifts, when in reality it's just doing it automatically.

So like your girl, she's faking it? I can accept that

 

[BMWAF]

"You seem to be insinuating that in an automatic we can all be that good"

I mean, if you don't know how the push the pedal to 100% throttle you got issues.

I said 0-60 and 1/4 mile. Pushing the pedal to the metal in auto is pretty easy. I don't think you need them mad skillz to do that. Is that what you're insinuating?

How about I put it another way: A shaved down monkey could drive an automatic fast; a manual, not so much.

 

[FLtrackdays]

How about I put it another way: A shaved down monkey could drive an automatic fast; a manual, not so much.

I’d love to take you up on it, on track ??

I drive your manual and you drive my auto & see who’s quickest. We’ll both be grinning ear to ear during the process ?

Please be advised that now a days us MT guys buy sketchers. We have outgrown the New Balance.

Please tell me you’re going to finally break the 1000 mile barrier on those sneakers and your car someday ??

Also, how the hell is this thread 8 pages long…. WTF gives with this subject?!?

 

[splv]

Eight effin pages of passionate debate from either side. Gawddam. Reasons ranging from being milliseconds faster to which knob is bigger to fill the anal gap.

I’m just glad that everyone here loves their GR Supra. Even though I’m in the MT camp, it’s clear that the AT is damn good bc unlike previous Supra generations, the AT actually has strong support instead of “automatically” getting labeled with a dunce cap…

or some car enthusiasts are turning weak, gay and shit. Flappy hands, can’t tolerate working the clutch in traffic…boo hoo.

 

[jchadwell]

Auto people honest question, faster than who? I have admittedly never done organized racing but have done dozens of track days over the decades and at those we are all just trying to improve our own lap times and get more out of the car. It doesn’t really matter the starting point as it is about improving and getting more in tune with the car while driving better. Most of us want cars that are available to inputs and communicative in its outputs. If easier and faster is better why not just hire the circuit coaches to drive you around?

I can’t really tell if this is a legit question? I mean seriously, even if you’re only doing HPDE sessions and even if you are only concerned about improving your times and not comparing with others you are still looking to get faster. Faster is better right? Otherwise regular track days peeps wouldn’t keep up with their personal best times. Then there’s the time attack folks, One Lap of America, and other competitive options. For me personally I only do auto crossing now. And in nearly every event I run the top five pax finishers are separated by a few tenths. Tenths are very important. In fact, it’s not that uncommon for some class or pax wins to be decided by hundredths of a second. In any competitive or semi-competitive setting, faster is better. I can’t believe anyone tries to argue this.

 

[jchadwell]

Three words: Lightning lap times. ?

Interestingly, despite the above link suggesting the MT is faster (as did another Japanese comparison which I don't have the link to handy), I haven't seen a shred of evidence to support the contention myth that the autospastic is actually faster. ?‍

Lots of context missing here. “As for how this Supra found nearly four seconds compared with the previous automatic—for example, summoning another 11.5-mph average in the uphill esses—well, we won't pretend the minor suspension-tuning changes for 2023 can entirely explain it, and the previous pilot can't defend himself, as he's no longer employed here”.

The CD staff pretty clearly let you know where they believe the biggest difference is - different drivers. That can be a big one. Also different days and conditions. A good example: I run local autocross with another Supra driver. Our cars are similar set up wise but he runs larger wheels has more tire than me. He uses 275/295 AO52s while I’m on factory wheels and factory size RE71s. I’ve been doing this stuff for a very long time and I’m simply better at it than he is. His car should be slighter quicker than mine given the tire advantage but he can’t get with 2 seconds of my times. The driver is usually the biggest factor!

To truly know the difference, Car and Driver would need to have the same driver run a MT and AT Supra one the same day and back to back. Otherwise there are too many variables involved.

 

[jmikes]

manuals are for people that want to whack off their car to drive it

autos are for people that want to whack off themselves while their car drives for them

which way, "car enthusiast"?

 

[roboengr]

You seem to be insinuating that in an automatic we can all be that good - And there's the rub. Part of the MT charm is knowing that we have to bring our A Game when it comes to gear changes, if we are to be at our best.

Also, advertised numbers aren't gospel, look at BMW/Supra engine power ratings.



Blah blah blah. You currently drive and defend driving an automatic sports car that is available in a manual transmission. I'm not making a personal comment about you as a human being or your driving history. I just think your reasons for choosing an automatic sports car over a manual one, are bunk and not in line with those who genuinely love and champion MT cars. ?‍

You see, I am not here to defend why the AT is better. Manual or the ZF8, both are great transmissions in this car. None of my original postings suggests that the manual or auto was better or worse. It comes down to personal needs and preferences. Not sure where you saw the need to defend driving a manual sports car. You are preaching to the choir.

For the rest of the post, I don't think even lap time is a valid reason to compare. Most of us here didn't buy a Supra to race or attend time attack competitively (if you do, it's certainly a valid reason). The car excels in just providing a great driving experience and chassis dynamics. If I were to chase lap times or get lots of seat time, there are better cars to do it in that are equally fun and won't burn a hole in your pocket from consumables.

I am not here to look for validation of my choice of picking my car, nor am I seeking the title of genuine lover of manual transmission cars. I just want to point out that gate-keeping who's an enthusiast doesn't help the community. The Supra has had a healthy Auto/Manual take rate, and I don't see anything to fuss about.

 

[roboengr]

manuals are for people that want to whack off their car to drive it

autos are for people that want to whack off themselves while their car drives for them

which way, "car enthusiast"?

"Car enthusiast" don't drive their cars. They park it in a parking lot, wack off other car enthusiasts in rows, and then talk about what mods they should put on the car next.

 

[bushido]

old people arguing on a car forum. classic

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