Auto > Manual

[BMWAF]

Counter question: Why bother chasing hp if you're going to slow yourself down by seconds? And IDK how that makes sense...so the whole purpose of a sports car is to ensure you have a stock to jack off...err a manual shifter and a pedal to foot fk? I thought sports cars were all about speed, power and looks, but maybe it's all about your transmission...why not just buy a transfer and put for wheels on it and rotate on the shifter if that's all a sports car is?

And yet, we still haven't proven objectively, that autospastic is faster, lol. In fact, the only data presented thus far proves quite the opposite. ?‍

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[jchadwell]

And yet, we still haven't proven objectively, that autospastic is faster, lol. In fact, the only data presented thus far proves quite the opposite. ?

Honest question. I thought I was done with this dumb (but often very funny) discussion but I’m curious what objective “proof” you are referring to? If you are making your case on that CD article that is an extremely flawed argument. On the contrary, and using CD again, they have also referenced actual ZF8 shift speeds in another article and compared them to the fastest a human can shift. Not surprising the ZF8 shifts faster. What baffles me is people can’t grasp that when you are losing a small amount of time with every shift if all other variables are held constant the manual will always be slower. Again, with all other variables held constant which is not the case in the CD article you seem to feel proves the auto is slower. Sticking with CD again, they put the difference for our cars at about two tenths in a quarter mile run which is actually not that much but the manual is slower. Now, extend that out on an autocross course or track where there will be many more shifts than in a quarter mile run and the longer you go the further behind the manual will be. ?

 

[BMWAF]

Honest question. I thought I was done with this dumb (but often very funny) discussion but I’m curious what objective “proof” you are referring to? If you are making your case on that CD article that is an extremely flawed argument. On the contrary, and using CD again, they have also referenced actual ZF8 shift speeds in another article and compared them to the fastest a human can shift. Not surprising the ZF8 shifts faster. What baffles me is people can’t grasp that when you are losing a small amount of time with every shift if all other variables are held constant the manual will always be slower. Again, with all other variables held constant which is not the case in the CD article you seem to feel proves the auto is slower. Sticking with CD again, they put the difference for our cars at about two tenths in a quarter mile run which is actually not that much but the manual is slower. Now, extend that out on an autocross course or track where there will be many more shifts than in a quarter mile run and the longer you go the further behind the manual will be. ?

Firstly, your interpretation of the comments on the CD article are, like theirs, conjecture. How do you know that the lap times were due to the driver change? Like me, you don't. Neither do they, that's why it's c-o-n-j-e-c-t-u-r-e. Secondly, as far as I can recall, there has never been any a/b test that has shown that the automatic is in fact quicker around a track or in a straight line. Is it likely? Sure, but there's little in way of actual evidence.

In fact, when you think about it, the only "evidence" is the auto drivers like yourself running their mouth. Yes the computer changes faster than a human, but who's to say Toyota didn't do something to the manual model to compensate for this? This too is conjecture, just like the idea that the automatic, is "seconds" faster around a track.. when - and I'll say it one more time and in bold for the reading comprehension challenged, - the only actual (less than ideal) evidence presented in this entire fucking thread, suggests the complete opposite!

If as you like to spout, automatics were really that much quicker, there should be oodles of objective evidence.. not just, "I drive an automatic, trust me bro."

Lets end this fucking myth.

 

[jmikes]

Getting this heated over the manual vs auto debate is pointless and stupid, anyone here that's got this much mental stock in this thread should take a couple chill pills and drink a beer or two.

It's the same thing as any kind of online political debate, the end result is always the same: nobody's opinions change and everyone walks away angrier than when they started.

The relentless push to replace ICE cars with EV's will kill off transmissions entirely one day anyhow, so how about we just enjoy the fact that we even have an auto vs manual choice in the first place while we still can.

 

[JoshuaQ]

And yet, we still haven't proven objectively, that autospastic is faster, lol. In fact, the only data presented thus far proves quite the opposite. ?‍

You need evidence? What's more 1 second or .001 seconds? If you can't figure it out I'll get a calculator and try some math cause I'm also dumb. Like, it's not possible that the manual is faster, it's just not. Can 1 out of 10000 humans shift quickly? Sure. Does that mean manual is faster? Not really.
There's like no reality where a split second is not faster than a human shifting a stick and pressing a pedal. Show me all the YouTubers you want, that isn't gonna change the speed at which the auto shifts up or down.

Argue with the pros, not the peasants like myself. Let me know which known pros that are going with manual when the others are going with manuals/dct/sequential shifters and maybe I'll change my mind.

My neighbor was a good enough referee for me. He agrees with with the post and most of you posters...but get this he drives a manual 86 in his races, lol and he still agrees that auto is faster and he even says is better for racing. But he says manual is more fun. I can get behind that, but not what you're trying to say. It's fkn science, bro, haha.

Lastly the post say > not faster but it's definitely faster. Oh snap, actually...the Supra in the gt 3/4 races...you think it's manual?

 

[razorlab]

BUT again, why buy a sports car if you are going to use every nanny piece of technology you can like an automatic transmission? Defeats the whole purpose of what driving a sports car is. At that point just get an electric car and slap it on auto pilot ?‍

I bet if you had auto, you would win those races faster with the people that don't know you're racing them.

 

[jchadwell]

Firstly, your interpretation of the comments on the CD article are, like theirs, conjecture. How do you know that the lap times were due to the driver change? Like me, you don't. Neither do they, that's why it's c-o-n-j-e-c-t-u-r-e. Secondly, as far as I can recall, there has never been any a/b test that has shown that the automatic is in fact quicker around a track or in a straight line. Is it likely? Sure, but there's little in way of actual evidence.

In fact, when you think about it, the only "evidence" is the auto drivers like yourself running their mouth. Yes the computer changes faster than a human, but who's to say Toyota didn't do something to the manual model to compensate for this? This too is conjecture, just like the idea that the automatic, is "seconds" faster around a track.. when - and I'll say it one more time and in bold for the reading comprehension challenged, - the only actual (less than ideal) evidence presented in this entire fucking thread, suggests the complete opposite!

If as you like to spout, automatics were really that much quicker, there should be oodles of objective evidence.. not just, "I drive an automatic, trust me bro."

Lets end this fucking myth.

Well, when damn near every model vehicle that comes with both a manual and automatic option is tested the automatic is faster. Some of the P-cars are close to half a second slower in the quarter with a manual compared to the PdK. Our Supras are only a couple tenths off but that is OBJECTIVELY slower. Also, for some reason you think the CD conjecture is objective proof that the manual is faster while at the same time tell me it’s only conjecture when I reference it.
And I actually love manual transmission cars is what is so irritating. For fucks sake just drive your car and enjoy it man. You win…

 

[6mt]

The interesting thing is no matter what make and model you buy new auto's outsell manuals. Then years later the manuals are worth more. Crazy, good old supply and demand. So for me I am not sure how long I will have the car but my depreciation hit should be less when selling a 6MT.

 

[Funkjaw]

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[BMWAF]

Well, when damn near every model vehicle that comes with both a manual and automatic option is tested the automatic is faster. Some of the P-cars are close to half a second slower in the quarter with a manual compared to the PdK. Our Supras are only a couple tenths off but that is OBJECTIVELY slower. Also, for some reason you think the CD conjecture is objective proof that the manual is faster while at the same time tell me it’s only conjecture when I reference it.
And I actually love manual transmission cars is what is so irritating. For fucks sake just drive your car and enjoy it man. You win…

Can you even read? Anyway, enjoy flapping your padddles. ?

 

[rottmore]

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[BMWAF]

You need evidence? What's more 1 second or .001 seconds? If you can't figure it out I'll get a calculator and try some math cause I'm also dumb. Like, it's not possible that the manual is faster, it's just not. Can 1 out of 10000 humans shift quickly? Sure. Does that mean manual is faster? Not really.
There's like no reality where a split second is not faster than a human shifting a stick and pressing a pedal. Show me all the YouTubers you want, that isn't gonna change the speed at which the auto shifts up or down.

Argue with the pros, not the peasants like myself. Let me know which known pros that are going with manual when the others are going with manuals/dct/sequential shifters and maybe I'll change my mind.

My neighbor was a good enough referee for me. He agrees with with the post and most of you posters...but get this he drives a manual 86 in his races, lol and he still agrees that auto is faster and he even says is better for racing. But he says manual is more fun. I can get behind that, but not what you're trying to say. It's fkn science, bro, haha.

Lastly the post say > not faster but it's definitely faster. Oh snap, actually...the Supra in the gt 3/4 races...you think it's manual?

The incredibly poor levels of reading comprehension and sheer inability to formulate rational and evidence based arguments by individuals in this thread is.. well, astonishing.

Well, that's what my neighbor says and that's good enough for me. ?

 

[Funkjaw]

The incredibly poor levels of reading comprehension and sheer inability to formulate rational and evidence based arguments by individuals in this thread is.. well, astonishing.

Well, that's what my neighbor says and that's a good enough for me. ?

Yeah I mean ain't nobodies minds gonna change because of this thread that's for sure.

Manual for life

Back to shit posting

 

[BMWAF]

 

[splv]

summarizes the AT vs MT brotherhood…we all idiots

AT is the slow one

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